Xbox360 vs PS3

[knoxin]

Let there be slience on the subject of the waring factions 8)7

There has been a hands on report of comparing the 2

http://games.kikizo.com/news/200602/065_p1.asp


Very good read

[Curry]

Why do I have trouble believing that site to have gotten their hands on a working PS3 while sites like IGN and Gamespot are still waiting and guessing like the rest of us? :o

The big sites are usually slow in picking up news and rumors, but they are first in line when Sony or Microsoft send out hardware previews 8)7

/me reads...

[edit] Firstly however, the box. The stylish PlayStation 3 casing design that SCEI boss Ken Kutaragi revealed last year is, and always has been, empty - and no signs of a final, tangible casing solution appear to be in sight.
OMFG :X

[knoxin]

I just thought i would add it as it seemed a good read

as the maker of Mgs4 said xbox360 would run it with ease there little things in there that make me feel happy i have my 360

i have fully connected to my x-fi fatality via optical and on 15% volume and it pumps out 89Db and thx is damerging to my foundations where i live


hey Curry is the 360 capable of running DX10 ?

[Nino]

The PS3 will be a little bit more powerful but not the difference Sony tries to make you believe. Atleast, that's my prediction. It all depends on how the developers use their tools and talents :)

[Curry]

Seems the article is authentic based on one of the first devkits shipped, more than enough details there to make it plausible. Scary quotes are abundant though:
Perhaps the biggest bombshell we've learned in the world of PS3 development right now is that many (if not most) games are simply running in 720p - not the ambitious, bleeding edge 1080p "Full HD" standard that Sony had us so excited about. And certainly, not two of them stuck together for a ludicrous 32:9 double-1080p. Everyone knows that the Killzone trailer was rendered to reflect what the developer thought they might be able to achieve on PS3 architecture, but some of Sony's most talented studios will be questioning the ambition they showed nine months ago. In hindsight, there was some stuff that looked decidedly more like what we've been playing now - UbiSoft's Killing Day seeming like it was a good, honest estimate. Rewatch that below, and consider this is comparable to the technical visual quality of what we've played, and you'll likely conclude that this is, for now at least, really same-generation stuff next to Xbox 360. Sony's showings of PS3 to date have been seriously sexy. But the reality, while still impressive, is nowhere near the leap beyond Xbox 360 Sony wants you to believe, and it seems many projects are still at an early enough stage for things to start getting a little worrying. The hands-on evidence is beginning to mount up. We're talking about a machine barely superior to Xbox 360 - not by any significant margin. It's certainly obvious this machine is not "twice" as powerful as 360, let alone a generational leap ahead. That's just scary. Considering their radio silence, I had assumed they were behind schedule and simply not capable of showing really impressive stuff yet, but if this is all true they have a major problem on their hands.

And that's bad, because good competition makes the Xbox better as well, and keeps Microsoft on their toes.

[Curry]

hey Curry is the 360 capable of running DX10 ?
X360 doesn't run DirectX. It has a custom architecture with custom PowerPC CPU and custom GPU, and runs on a kernel with DirectX-derived software called XNA.

So no, it cannot run DX10 any more than it can run DX7 simply because DirectX is for different platforms :)

[Nino]

Yeah I was thinking about buying the PS3 (would be my first Sony console) but I'm not so sure anymore.

[knoxin]

X360 doesn't run DirectX. It has a custom architecture with custom PowerPC CPU and custom GPU, and runs on a kernel with DirectX-derived software called XNA.

So no, it cannot run DX10 any more than it can run DX7 simply because DirectX is for different platforms :)

Cheers i was wondering about that as crytek said the was making a new game using the crytek 2 engine that is only dx10

[Curry]

DirectX and XNA are developed in tandem, so they are very comparable and as such easy to port, but the versions aren't easily compared.

In contrast, id Software has always worked with OpenGL which is a completely different architecture, and that is my personal explanation why Quake 4 sucks so badly on 360.

[Neejoh]

Ofcourse the PS3 will kick-ass! I'm not even gonna doubt that, but hate all those rumors going on right now. PS3 this, PS3 that... What's the use of all those unconfirmed rumors?

I've seen some tech presentations that were kinda lame. A lot of pre-rendered cut-scenes, which I think is one hell of a stupid markething trick.

The Unreal 3 engine showoff looked PRETTY nice though, and so did that Snake techdemo!

I'll just wait and see what happens :)

[knoxin]

OMFG battery powerd PS3 Fanboy

the ps3 and 360 are = in there own ways one does one thing better and so does the other.

i will wait but i think ps3 could be dead sony have tried to add to much i was waiting for them to say it could boil hot water

[Nino]

A dead Sony results in a(nother) monopoly for Microsoft. And monopolies are not good for the quality of games (see: EA).

[knoxin]

A dead Sony results in a(nother) monopoly for Microsoft. And monopolies are not good for the quality of games (see: EA).

I know what your saying don't get me wrong but sony is trying to do a monopoly on Hd dvd aka blue ray but it will be nice to see sony sweat AS this time they have to really fight.

But just go back to when the Ps2 was coming out Omg Was't the emotion engine ment to render life like graphics Blah it could only just do dvd's lol 8)7

[Curry]

Well we'll have to see what Sony comes up with, and we might hear within a week. But if this hands-on preview is authentic and the devkit is anywhere near final hardware they have a problem, and if the devkit is nowhere near final hardware they have an even bigger problem because no way they'll release a console within half a year then.

[Aift]

Sorry to ask this guys, but i am too lazy to read that article...Is it saying as of now 360 is better or worse?

[Nino]

Sorry to ask this guys, but i am too lazy to read that article...Is it saying as of now 360 is better or worse?

PS3 is supposed to be slightly better but not as much as Sony wants you to believe :)

[Aift]

What department, is SONY supossedly blowing Xbox360 away in? I mean they are doing to much in to little time...How can they put together a online service better then Xbox LIVE in half a year?

[HellFire]

What department, is SONY supossedly blowing Xbox360 away in? I mean they are doing to much in to little time...How can they put together a online service better then Xbox LIVE in half a year?

They can't. :)

[Nino]

@Aift: Oh sorry I wasnt clear, I was talking about graphics/power. I find it really hard to believe that they're gonna top Xbox Live. The Xbox Live we have now wasnt built half a year either, it evolved from the through 2 generations of consoles.

[Curry]

What department, is SONY supossedly blowing Xbox360 away in? I mean they are doing to much in to little time...How can they put together a online service better then Xbox LIVE in half a year?
Well they didn't start the day they started that rumor ofcourse, they probably started when they saw Xbox Live was a success (so half 2003 is my guess). However, Sony aren't software guys, and Sony doesn't have Microsoft's worldwide 24/7 infrastructure (think Hotmail, think MSN), Sony doesn't have the widespread acceptance that is Xbox Live right now. I think Sony can consider themselves lucky if their first effort matches Microsoft's first effort, being 10% online in total console lifespan.

[etalien]

@Aift: Oh sorry I wasnt clear, I was talking about graphics/power. I find it really hard to believe that they're gonna top Xbox Live. The Xbox Live we have now wasnt built half a year either, it evolved from the through 2 generations of consoles.

The fact that the PS3 will have better graphics (although, maybe not really visible to most people) can be explained pretty simple: Their console will hit the shelves much later than the X360 (Maybe even a year)! Thats how it goes with technology, developement goes fast :)

[Aift]

Thanks guys for clearing that up to me...I think both systems are better at doing different things. And i think SONY's attempt at Xbox Live will fail. I mean i am not a fanboy or anything but i think Xbox360 has more over the PS3 as of now..

Oh and i am looking to interview a "fanboy" for my site. I am doing a reprt called "Stop the Wars!". And i will publish the interview, at the launch of my website...You dont really have to be a fanboy just pretend a little bit so if you want to help me out let me know.

[Rival24]

The fact that the PS3 will have better graphics (although, maybe not really visible to most people) can be explained pretty simple: Their console will hit the shelves much later than the X360 (Maybe even a year)! Thats how it goes with technology, developement goes fast :)
That's right, but when the PS3 comes out, the Xbox360 programmers had more chance to experiment with the console and the graphics will probably match the ps3's graphics or they may even be better. Maybe in the future we'll see a slight difference between Xbox360 and PS3 games, but my guess is it won't make a big difference especially for cross platform games.

[Rival24]

Thanks guys for clearing that up to me...I think both systems are better at doing different things. And i think SONY's attempt at Xbox Live will fail. I mean i am not a fanboy or anything but i think Xbox360 has more over the PS3 as of now..

Don't forget that the PS3 will have some other functionallity that the Xbox360 doesn't have. It's supposed to record tv and that sort of stuff :)


Oh and i am looking to interview a "fanboy" for my site. I am doing a reprt called "Stop the Wars!". And i will publish the interview, at the launch of my website...You dont really have to be a fanboy just pretend a little bit so if you want to help me out let me know.
Cool, just drop us a link when it's done at newssubmit@xboxic.com if you would be so kind ;)

[Nino]

Don't forget that the PS3 will have some other functionallity that the Xbox360 doesn't have. It's supposed to record tv and that sort of stuff :)

Not the things I look for in a console...

[HellFire]

Me neither. Like I ever watch tv anyway... it's only for games and movies for meh! :P

[Rival24]

Not the things I look for in a console...
You're right, and lots of people agree with you, including some smartass analists :) But that won't change the fact that it might attract a little different audience. Only the future can bring us this information.

[Aift]

But still, is there anyone who wants to be the "fanboy", you do not have to be a real fanboy just answer the questions like a fanboy.

[cybermans]

I think PS3 will kick ass just like the Xbox 360. The only reason I dont buy a PS3 anytime soon is: I already have a kick ass 360. When the price drops in the future I maybe will buy one.

[Messiah]

I have Playstation 1, and a Playstation 2, and if the games are right i'll buy an playstation 3 also. I only hope that the people that saw the Killzone 2 demo movie, aren't suspecting those graphics.

[etalien]

I only hope that the people that saw the Killzone 2 demo movie, aren't suspecting those graphics.


Offcoure the PS3 fanboys are :+, they're blinded by that sort of movies and trash talk :z

[Neejoh]

@Aift: Oh sorry I wasnt clear, I was talking about graphics/power. I find it really hard to believe that they're gonna top Xbox Live. The Xbox Live we have now wasnt built half a year either, it evolved from the through 2 generations of consoles.That's true, but not completely. Sony isn't stupid and has watched xbox live closely. So I guess they'll have a better start than the xbox 1 live had, and my guess is that it will take them less time to come up to a great live package than it took Microsoft. Just by the fact that is has been done before.
Offcoure the PS3 fanboys are :+, they're blinded by that sort of movies and trash talk :zYes they are, and I'm not so sure if it was a good stratigy of Sony, just for the fact that they're giving false hope to alot of gamers that aren't servering the internet 24/7.

[Curry]

That's true, but not completely. Sony isn't stupid and has watched xbox live closely. So I guess they'll have a better start than the xbox 1 live had, and my guess is that it will take them less time to come up to a great live package than it took Microsoft. Just by the fact that is has been done before.
But there's a huge difference between "doing something similar" and "surpassing it by great length". Yes, they will be doing something similar, and they have had ample time to let Microsoft show them how to do it. But surpass it? By far? Nah.

Sony. Emotion Engine. Killzone 2 Ingame Movie. Hot air.

I've got nothing against Sony, but based on historic precedents I wouldn't be surprised if the PlayStation turns out technically inferior to the Xbox again this generation, when it is finally released somewhere next year. They've taken too many guesses with unknown factors this round.

[Rival24]

Have you read those rumors about the PS3 price? :P $800 or $900! That would be awesome for us ;)

[toyota4x4]

If the developers dont get some games rolling out for the 360 I might be tempted to sell and wait for the ps3. This is rediculous guys and I know yall agree..... I mean how long can I sit here and play a laggy cod2 and really sucky ea games. Ive been waiting for college hoops now for weeks but it just keeps getting pushed back. None of these early games have impressed me at all..... but dont get me wrong I think the system itself is great, but really sucky games.:-(

[Curry]

The system has some great games but it varies like mad between genres. CoD2 is a great game, but Activision brass should be hung and then shot for the multiplayer debacle. Racing genre is covered by great games. DoA4, Condemned and Kameo are great games in their genres. And for those who take the time to learn the controls and ignore the singleplayer, PDZ is a great online shooter. That's nearly every genre covered with good to very good (I'm not saying excellent) games except sports, which is filled to the brim with crap current-gen ports if I'm to believe the people who like those games.

[toyota4x4]

Your right about the sports games they suck huge........
I hope ea gets battlefield right because they havnt anything else. But im happy with the 360 bec the xbox live is really awesome and I dont think that sony can compete with that.

[etalien]

Your right about the sports games they suck huge........
I hope ea gets battlefield right because they havnt anything else. But im happy with the 360 bec the xbox live is really awesome and I dont think that sony can compete with that.

It's EA you know, that company that never screws up anything!

[/sarcasm] 8)7

[Nino]

That guy that was fired from Sony is on Major Nelson next week, I cant wait! This one (http://www.xboxic.com/news/130).

[Chris]

Someone should start a Major Nelson thread somewhere.

[Rival24]

Someone should start a Major Nelson thread somewhere.
You for example ;)

[Curry]

PS3 officially delayed until holiday season in Japan (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/ps3-delay-official-158570.php) :X

[Curry]

And Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/06/variety-com-ps3-report-confirms-absolutely-nothing/) doesn't agree on Kotaku's interpretation. Personally, reading the quotes I tend to favor Kotaku's version...?

[Redman]

I think the Playstation could become a succes for several reasons:
The PS1 en PS2 have had a very long lifespan. I hope the PS3 will last for many years. The original Xbox has had a short life, too short in my opinion. (4 years compared to the 6 years of the PS2)
And even when the PS3 isn't an instant hit, Sony has the habbit of keeping products in production for many years, giving the public en game developers a change to step in at their leisure. Not everybodys needs a new game console in december 2006.

As far as I know, There will be one PS3. The various versions of the 360 and rumours about various external optical drives don't build a very strong "one size fits all" image and will cause some frustrations and confusion. You don't want to become interested in a game only to discover it won't run on your 360. Or have some neighbourhood kids annoy you becease their console can do this or that while yours can't. When you offer the public the choice between 1 product x or several flavours of product y, they'll go for x, because then they know what the buy, that's a clear choice.

Makr my words: The Blu-ray drive will be a boost for both PS3 and blu-ray. Some enthousiast will buy the PS3, creating a market for blu-ray movies. And with sufficient movies the drives will become popular. most movie enthousiatst will by a stand alond blu-ray player, but when you can get a game console (for 'the kids' of cource ;) ) and harddisk vcr with you new BR-player, it's a nice extra for people who perhaps wouldn't buy a game console. It's not a bad move to include the home cinema experience in the PS3.

The PS2 has meant a real revolution. And games have only evolved on the PS2. They didn't stay at the level games were at when the PS2 was introduced. I'm confident Sony will produce something inventive, not just a faster version of the PS2. Which architecture has the most Magahertzes is not important, I'ts what you are able to do with is. Ik don't think the gamedevelopers 5 years ago would have believed the recent PS2 games would be possible on a PS2.
The PS3 will again be a new architecture, different from what programmers are used to at the moment. Games won't reach the full potential of the console in the first year. Not even close.

I don't believe Sony will try to mimic xbox live, Microsoft is american, Sony asian, that's much to different not to try something for themselves instead of copying the competition. The result will probably be too different to compare them 1 on 1. Sony has a long history in the gaming industry, They know what they're dealing with.

Rumours spread by some disgruntal (and fired) employee about how much the PS3 will suck have little to no value to me.
Also other companies predicting the price of the console, is just ridiculous. Aplpe could slash prices for i-pod memory in half, it's just a matter of how big you buy. And with 100 million PS1's and 100 million PS2's sold, Sony will be buying big for the PS3. Sony will probably be able to buy the currently very expensive blu-ray drives for a low low price, because they'll gaurantee to buy many millions of them over the next decade. The lucky supplier will know for sure his research and develpment is paid for.
And the 360 was also predicted to costs much more than what it lies in the stores for now. These predictions are nothing more than wild guesses.

[Chris]

In other words, Sony is perfect and will never make any mistakes ever with any product they'll ever create. Whatever Sony says, is the perfect thing that you'll buy into because they are perfect.

If you're going to defend Sony on every issue that there is to talk about, you're blind. Even the guys who created this site know the xbox360 isn't perfect. It makes you look ignorant when you ignore all the cons of the ps3, and only focus on the mistakes (in your opinion) that Microsoft has made with the xbox360.

I can't stand Sony or Microsoft fanboys.

[Curry]

He does make a few valid points though. Blu-Ray could become a killer app of the PS3 theoretically, but I myself think the price of the drive is fucking them over and partially forcing them to cause the huge delays. Upside of this is that it also makes them release the PS3 late enough that there might be some market acceptance already for the Blu-Ray concept.

And the core point is also valid ofcourse: that the PS3 would even sell big if it'd be just a metal box filled with horse shit. It's got the name Sony PlayStation, it's going to sell even if it sucks beyond belief.

He is also not correct in a few points. The PS2 has never been a revolution. It was a major letdown with its Emotion Engine hype and marketing bullcrap it never lived up to. It was inferior to the Xbox during its whole lifetime, and the Xbox has always been able to show more muscle during both consoles' lifetime. The PS2 managed to survive because it was called Sony PlayStation, not because of technical superiority because it never was.

[Rival24]

Curry: read this (http://www.xboxic.com/news/181)(comment section), that 'Dic' looks like he had this discussion a couple of times already. I don't care much about it, but he might have a good point here and there.

[Chris]

I just don't like it when a brand feels like it can slack along just because of its name.

[Curry]

Well be prepared not to like Sony a lot then :+

But seriously, the fact that the PS2 whooped Xbox's ass is almost completely attributable to brand awareness. As much as "Google" has become a synonym for a search engine do many parent believe "PlayStation" is the common name of something that your kids can play games on.

[Redman]

The PS2 did bring 3D graphics to the console (and into the living room), and although the DVD-drive might have seem unnescesary and expensive at the introduction and still isn't used much for watching dvd movies, it has made it possible to produce competative games for many years. If you'd have to switch CD's every 5 minutes, or use games that fit on a single cd, people would have given up on the PS2 much sooner. Another reason why waiting for Blu-ray is worth the wait: Maybe 50GB seems over the top in 2006, but if, in 2010, you wont to play final fantasy 42, with interactive fullscreen hd content or whatever, you don't want compromises because of e 4,7 GB dvd-drive.
The (lack of) speed and capacity of a regular dvd will become an annoyance somewhere in the near future as games keep getting bigger.

The PS2 is a great deal older than the Xbox, no wonder it's less powerfull.
The PS2 has been a great console, although better consoles have inmerged.

But why would Microsoft have been able to make somthing that is impossible to surpass? Sony has not let consumers down either and has a great history making consoles. I'm waiting for the PS3 before I make my descision what to buy. I'm not convinced there can not be something better than a 360. I'm not saying the 360 is bad or anything like that, but I'm also not saying the 360 is so good that *per definition* there can be nothing equally good.

[Curry]

The PS2 did bring 3D graphics to the console I remember playing Wipeout on the PS1 in 1994 or 1995 somewhere? Incredibly fast full 3D graphics?
Another reason why waiting for Blu-ray is worth the wait: Maybe 50GB seems over the top in 2006, but if, in 2010, you wont to play final fantasy 42, with interactive fullscreen hd content or whatever, you don't want compromises because of e 4,7 GB dvd-drive. The X360 dvd-drive is dual-layer and as such can read 9.4Gb discs.

Also read this article (http://www.xboxic.com/news/90) on current-gen disc usage extrapolated to next generation.
The (lack of) speed and capacity of a regular dvd will become an annoyance somewhere in the near future as games keep getting bigger. The 12-speed DVD-drive of the X360 is actually faster (!!!!) than the 2-speed Blu-Ray drive Sony may be putting into the PS3. And because of costs they may very well go with a single-speed drive. It's the PS3 owners that will be annoyed for having double the data at half the speed (yes double, the single-layer Blu-Ray discs only hold 25Gb, not 50Gb).
But why would Microsoft have been able to make somthing that is impossible to surpass? Noone has said that. Based on current specs, the PS3 will be marginally more powerful in certain aspects, and less powerful in others, due to the differences in Cell architecture. Graphically they are more or less equal in power, and the rest will depend on Cell which is simply less versatile than a fully fledged triple-core CPU, and which may show more power when specific calculations are required which can profit from the Cell's many processing sub-units, such as particles and large geometry calculations.
I'm waiting for the PS3 before I make my descision what to buy. I was doing that until I found out the X360 would be out end of 2005 and the PS3 would be out end of 2006. And it's more or less certain by now that European/American release of the PS3 will slip into 2007. Sorry, but that's an overpriced machine with equal power to the X360 one and a half year late. 18 bloody months, that's half a generation in console country!
I'm not convinced there can not be something better than a 360. Far from. But looking around in stores now, there is nothing better than the 360. Go look in stores in 3 months, there will be nothing better. Or 6 months. If you're lucky, there will be something comparable to the 360 in 12 months. That's an awful long wait to get a console with barely any games out, which barely scrape the console's capabilities, while the X360 will have games like Rainbox Six Vegas and Gears of War out showing full next-gen potential. I'm glad I made my choice, and once the PS3 starts showing muscles in over a year I may consider buying it as well. I'm not going to wait frigging one and a half year for it though.

[Chris]

Yeah Curry. I think Sony just tried to do too much at one time. They realize this and all they can do is confuse people about the launch date and pretend that it's coming out in a couple months still. What's the point of jerking all their customers around with specs and dates? Read this: http://www.gamerandy.com/archives/2006/03/worst_secret_ev.shtml#more

[Ponder416]

PS3 doesnt interest me at all, the only reason I have PS2-n-PSP is because of SOCOM-n-MGS.

And another thing if Sony is so great why have I had to send back 2 PS2's because of that D--- Read disc. error, and I got 2 Xbox's that I have never had any trouble what so ever with.The same to say about my 360 I just plugged and played.

Sorry for the rant...

[Redman]

First of all, I want to point out that I'm not comparing the 360 to a PS3, I haven't even seen either of them with my own eyes and the specifications of the PS3 are too much based on rumours instead of actual facts. Sony has been very quiet about it. No-one knows what a PS3 will cost in the shops, what king od blu-ray drive will be used and whet the actual specifications will be. Maybe they are adding a few extra megahertzes while waiting for the blu-ray drives.

I'm just voicing my opinion that Sony is making (at least some) correct choices.
I've got the impressions Sony is not trying to beat Xbox, but just doing what's best for the PS3. They are not trying to put their console on the market because the 360 is. They'll release it when they think it is ready.

Noone has said that. Search the beginning of this topic for "xbox live".

As far as the blu-ray drive is concerned, I thought the PS3 would have a dual-layer drive? blu-ray (in general) is said to be single and dual layer from the very start and can be developped into 4,6 or 8 layers. Probably only the writers will be writing single layer at first, but will be able to read dual layer. Also reading a BD-ROM wil be faster then reading an BD-R or -RW. But all this is purely theoretical for the moment.

There are double dvd games for the PS2 at this moment, I would consider not waiting for blu-ray a bad decision. With data size doubling every 18 months and the upcoming HDTV video broadcasts, dvd will be outdated soon.

[Emily]

So i'm not all technical and crap...but...

Why do we have to compare these two systems at all?

I know there are the "fanboys" and "fanGIRLS" but does it always have to turn into an argument? I know we all dislike people saying false things about PS3 or whatever, but what's it hurt? If they end up getting ripped off when buying the system...is that your problem? Laugh in their faces then.

So like i said, i know nothing of software or anything, but i say, play what you want. Most of it's relative anyway. Facts vs. Opinion.

Who knows.

:X

[Chris]

Playstation magazine's talk the most shit anyway. Compare OPM, and OXM.

[Curry]

Sony has been very quiet about it. No-one knows what a PS3 will cost in the shops, what king od blu-ray drive will be used and whet the actual specifications will be. Most of it is known. The Cell is in mass production so fixed specs. The GPU is in mass so fixed specs. The Blu-Ray drive does not exist above dual-speed which is twice the production price of the single-speed. Do the math.
Maybe they are adding a few extra megahertzes while waiting for the blu-ray drives. You know as well as I do it doesn't work that way. Complex chip specs don't change within half a year of release of a product that's going to need over a million of them working and ready. Changing the specs now would put the product launch at 2007 for any region.
I've got the impressions Sony is not trying to beat Xbox, but just doing what's best for the PS3. They are not trying to put their console on the market because the 360 is. They'll release it when they think it is ready. Bull. If your direct competitor is mopping up all your customers with its great new machine, you either compete with them heads on if you can or you sit silent. Sony is sitting silent, do the math. If they'd had anything to show, they would have. Microsoft has sold near 2 million consoles already and people are begging on their bare knees for more. Sony cannot afford to let that happen if they can counter it. They're not doing "what's best for the PS3", come on, they got shareholders to answer to like MS. Shareholders want money, and if that's made using a plastic PS3 with 1995 tech in there, fine, but keep the money flowing. Money, money, money. What's best for the product doesn't come into the equation for neither Microsoft or Sony. MS rushed the launch as well, nobody's denying that. Gave them a huge leap over the competition though. MS shareholders happy. Sony shareholders not happy.
Search the beginning of this topic for "xbox live". You were referring to the console, not the online service. Of which, to be honest, I don't believe Sony will be able to match Microsoft's Xbox Live, simply because Microsoft has a huge worldwide 24/7 infrastructure. www.live.com? (http://www.live.com?) www.hotmail.com? (http://www.hotmail.com?) Messenger? Sony can only dream of that kind of rocksolid worldwide infrastructure. And it's going to take them a long time to match that technologically. I fear (yes fear, because I want Sony to be a strong competitor but don't give them a realistic chance in the online arena) that Hub is going to be the laggy disfunctional equivalent of Xbox Live with lots of downtime for the first 2 years. Microsoft was smart, they used the Xbox 1 as testing ground for 3 years before launching into an ironed out all-out version of Xbox Live with the 360. You think Sony can match that without 3 years of live worldwide testing by millions of voluntary betatesters that even paid for that?
As far as the blu-ray drive is concerned, I thought the PS3 would have a dual-layer drive? Possibly. Or even probably. But. Dual layer BR discs are over twice as expensive as single-layer discs. Every analyst in the world predicts games on BR are going to cost $70 or more already on SL. Recycled 5-year old SL BluRay movies are to be introduced at $35~40 price point, and that's not because of the huge royalties they have to pay for that: they're all Sony Entertainment movies. Go figure.
There are double dvd games for the PS2 at this moment, I would consider not waiting for blu-ray a bad decision. With data size doubling every 18 months and the upcoming HDTV video broadcasts, dvd will be outdated soon. Did you read the article I referred to? There is no reason to believe dual-layer 9.4Gb DVD's will become efficient during the 360's expected 5 year lifetime. The only ones complaining are the Japanese developers because they use CG-movies en masse in their RPG's, and they should learn to use engine movies like Western developers. I have GRAW since yesterday, and believe me the only difference between the CG intro movie and the game itself is in some building damage effects and enormous smoke clouds. I have no idea why they didn't do that on the engine to be honest, the difference wouldn't have been noticed by non-technical people.

[Nino]

I don't consider myself a fanboy but I laughed really hard when I saw this (http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=89855). Next-Gen Visual Experience: Experience next-gen graphics as delivered via textures and graphics designed for high definition 1080p displays. :D

I have GRAW since yesterday, and believe me the only difference between the CG intro movie and the game itself is in some building damage effects and enormous smoke clouds. I have no idea why they didn't do that on the engine to be honest, the difference wouldn't have been noticed by non-technical people.

Truth to be told; the Ghosts have alot more poly's on them.

[Nino]

Not that Microsoft keeps all of their promises but Sony isn't that good at it either; http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/24/gdc2006_ps3_no_hdmi/.

And as far as the Killzone 2 CGI trailer 'promise' goes, the latest techdemo didn't convinced me one bit. WMV (http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/New_Folder/GDC_1_wmv_640x360.zip) and Quicktime (http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/New_Folder/GDC_1_quick_640x360.zip).

[Curry]

...we were interested in why Sony did not run the units with HDMI. There may be an obvious explanation, but we received some surprising answers from Sony's staff. First, we were told that it isn't easy to get a hold of HDMI-equipped TVs. We found this to be very strange, because after all we were at the Sony booth and all the television sets had HDMI inputs. On the second try, we were told that the reason for not using HDMI was that Sony did not have any HDMI cables and that "they are difficult to find". Matt Butrovich, a former intern with Tom's Hardware and who walked the show floor with us, offered the staff to use one of the HDMI cables he actually had in his car and connect the PS3 with the TVs. Sony officials turned down the offer and we were left without seeing the demos in HD.
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Idiots :z

[Rival24]

Especially the last part is hilarious :D:D:D