Damn Terrorists!

[Gaz-DanaWalker]

Cant be bothered with it anymore.
With Glasgow Airports attack on Saturday everyone is jumping on the band wagon claiming bombs.
My home (Kilmarnock) town center is completly evacuated and the streets are blocked. Just because someone was nosey enough to spot a suitcase in someones car in a car park.

Anyone else getting the same stories here?

[TRIGGER M4N]

UK is on 'critical alert' at the minute. They have to do this.

[Gaz-DanaWalker]

UK is on 'critical alert' at the minute. They have to do this.
yeah. i understand. im not complaining bout the streets getn blocked off. i understand every procedure needs to be done.
Its just a suitcase in someones car at a tesco car park. just people bein nosey lookin out for any sign of a bomb to report. There is a false alarm in paisley too. Same story.

EDIT: just learned there was 2 bombs in paisley yesterday so everyones got every right to be on the look out.
Ok. lets all start look for bombs.

[Ivan Joidherpus]

Personally, I'd rather have 50 false alarms than just 1 real one.

Fucking scumbags.:-(

[Thryon]

I am glad that we do not have that problem where I live. We do get the occasional bomb scare at local high school, when some kids want the afternoon off, but so far, nothing like you mentioned.

I am not in denial enough to think that it will never happen in my happy little country. With the recent Canadian government policy of suckling at GW Bushes tities, it is not a matter of "if" a terrorist attack will ever happen in Canada, more of "when" will it happen.

[Nayse-BTC]

bomb scares are great, they stir up more potential extremists to fight for the mighty allah. also they put everyone right in the pocket of the brilliant dictators, i mean leaders (cause we voted for them right?...) fantastic, til you remember that actually this shit has been going on ages , IRA bombed manchester when i was right round the fuckin corner- your always gonna get bombers and theyre alway gonna kill less people than the cars on the roads do everyday. The politicians, the neo-conservative governments and the kiss arse british government all gained hugely from this war (and dont dare say blair didnt)-so of course therell be retaliation in our countries, i dont understand when people are surprised by it. we illegaly invaded a country with huge civilian mortality rates and did it with a christian crosses hangin off most of those thicko soldiers necks- and yeh, sorry thryon- bush gave you the kissof death, so dont pick up that bag on the bus to hand to lost n found cause it aint worth it...

[Gaz-DanaWalker]

turned out there was no bombs. just 2 controlled explosions.
hopefully no more will be reported but you know there will be.
Someone will leave a bag in the back of their car and when they come back the police will have blown it up in a controlled explosion cause someone thought it could be a bomb.
But anyways. Better safe than sorry in the end.

[Curry]

The frightening thing about the whole affair is that the worldwide media coverage serves only 2 purposes in the end:
- Confirming to potential terrorists that their approach works for spreading terror
- Giving politicians good excuses to further limit freedom.

While I completely agree with the 'better 500 false than 1 real' adagium it's weird to realize that the spiral we've all entered will keep running down: as bomb reports need to have attention for safety reasons in case it's a real one for a change, they immediately have the desired effect of spreading panic in law-abiding citizens and giving terrorist organizations the mass-media attention they crave for both their political targets and their recruitment campaigns.

[Ivan Joidherpus]

bomb scares are great, they stir up more potential extremists to fight for the mighty allah. also they put everyone right in the pocket of the brilliant dictators, i mean leaders (cause we voted for them right?...) fantastic, til you remember that actually this shit has been going on ages , IRA bombed manchester when i was right round the fuckin corner- your always gonna get bombers and theyre alway gonna kill less people than the cars on the roads do everyday. The politicians, the neo-conservative governments and the kiss arse british government all gained hugely from this war (and dont dare say blair didnt)-so of course therell be retaliation in our countries, i dont understand when people are surprised by it. we illegaly invaded a country with huge civilian mortality rates and did it with a christian crosses hangin off most of those thicko soldiers necks- and yeh, sorry thryon- bush gave you the kissof death, so dont pick up that bag on the bus to hand to lost n found cause it aint worth it...

You are, bar none, the biggest pain in the ass I could imagine.
Piss off you miserable twat.
In all your posts thus far, there hasn't been one constructive comment you've made.
Fuck This! Fuck That! Fuck the other thing too!
Bitch Bitch Bitch Bitch Bitch. God damned. Someone needs a friggin hug.

Bomb scares put everyone in the pockets of dictators?
Are you serious? Do you even think about what you're typing?

Suicide bombers kill less people per day than cars on the roads?
Compare apples to apples dip shit. If there were as many bobmers as there are cars on the road you MAY have a tiny argument on your hands, but there isn't. Period. If 100 cars kill 2 people, and 1 bomber kills 15 where the hell is your logic (if any?) coming from?

Neo-conservative governments gained from this war?
How so? The lose of public support? The monterous tallies of debt to finance the war? The broken families? Yeah, it sure sounds like everyone came out a winner........retard. Take this kind of stupidity elsewhere.

Yes, a country was invaded. I don't think there is a LEGAL way to invade a country so I'm not sure what you mean by Illegally. What you don't mention is that that same country was repressed for decades under an iron fist. Those people were worse off under Saddam than they are under anarchy. Its sad, but true. The civilian death rate has acutally gone down from the days of Saddam wiping out scroes of his own people for beliveing in the same fundamental things, but expressing their beliefs differently (Sunnis v. Kurds v. Shites). Fact is, there is no easy way to solve the middle east conflicts, and sitting at your computer spouting off rhetoric is just a waste of everyone elses time.

Bottom line, I don't like you, and I don't like your rhetoric and posturing. You aren't impressing anyone around here, and I know that you couldn't care less and blah blah blah..... but enough already. Stop being so damn negative.

[Nayse-BTC]

thousands die in cars and because of cars in britain each a year, i was trying to say its cars you should be worried about not bombs. lets see where u fukt up...
I don't think there is a LEGAL way to invade a country: Bullshit ,look it up
The civilian death rate has actually gone down from the days of Saddam :Bullshit look it up -
The loss of public support? The monterous tallies of debt to finance the war? The broken families? Yeah, it sure sounds like everyone came out a winner........retard.:BULLSHIT LOOK IT UP,Our countries are much richer now, broken families??? who the fucks selling you this shit? you really are thick as pigshit
Bush senior put saddam in power, knowing full well his bigotry, intentions and weapon capabilities for the next decades.
Iraq is now a sunni dictorship not a fucking democracy, creating a self perpetuating civil war that was obvious and made clear to the western governments long bfore the war started. you sound like a little child with no idea atall.
SERIOUSLY ,LOOK IT UP. its important
'Bottom line, I don't like you, and I don't like your rhetoric and posturing'
thats all this about, you dont like me- and you honestly think you know something. wake the fuck up

you are, bar none, the biggest pain in the ass I could imagine: Damn right- kick me off this site if you want, its filled with no hopers, retards and people who are actually pretty rude (i speak my mind and the truth and all i get i whiny lil shits and selfrighteous no-nothings) have fun being dumb and dull.
(im sure you could start a christian meeting of some kind here)

[Ivan Joidherpus]

*rolls eyes*
I'm done with you.
Have fun being dumb and dull?

How about: Have fun beign a miserable sack of shit who's pissed at the world and everything in it.

Try that on for size. I'm sure it fits you quite well.

[Nayse-BTC]

beats being thick as pigshit and not knowing absolutely anything about the world in which you live, except the lies fed to you by news stories and government propaganda. You really are a dumbass of epic proportions and with your naivety make the world a more dangerous and stupid place to be.
I like your intelligent response, lots of good points in there- really socked it to me... (seriously i dont want arguments, id actually rather you looked up what ive said, it IS important and you ARE being lied to- there are much bigger dickheads than me people)

[max2663]

oh shuttup mass9 has been on these forums for a hell of a lot longer than you and hasnt caused any arguaments so why should you be any different

[Ivan Joidherpus]

Note to all xboxic community members:

Please, do youselves a favour. Ignore the horseshit coming from nayse-bitch. I know I will.

[UKJAY]

you are, bar none, the biggest pain in the ass I could imagine: Damn right- kick me off this site if you want, its filled with no hopers, retards and people who are actually pretty rude (i speak my mind and the truth and all i get i whiny lil shits and selfrighteous no-nothings) have fun being dumb and dull.
(im sure you could start a christian meeting of some kind here)

I don't think you should be kicked off the site, I just think you should calm down and get to know us before making comments that you hope we all respond with crap back! - just get real!

[Nayse-BTC]

i dont hope you respond with crap back jay, out of all these wankers you dont seem too bad- if you look at my posts they are negative simply in jest, and most are pretty damn positive with me at least trying to be funny. This terrorist issue is incredibly important to me, and it should be to you- we do not need people like mass9, who blatantly have no understanding of the situation except for what his daily newspaper and tv news has told him, regurgitating really big lies that many many people believe. As for the comics arguement, i think i probably got mixed up with which chris was which then they ended both insulting me to a degree where if it had happened in real life theyd both be on there arses. i really cant apologize to them, they arent nice people. thanks for the intelligent response and 4 not making childish snipes.

[_Chris_]

Aww, Jay, im a nasty person:(. you know me the most on here Jay, so you agree right? I'm pure evil;)

and as for "both Chris's be on their arses" or whatever, you look like some 30 odd year old man, and youre fucking argueing with 18/19 year olds, grow up. And i have better things to do than have fights with people that look like they have had WAY too much crack for one day thanks.

[wakeboardnmoto]

ok well last semester in school i took a social justice class all bout the cause and effect of war, and oppression blah blah blah and so on all that kind of stuff. One thing that stood out to me is "the just war theory" its real you can probably find it on the internet, it basically says that wars become immoral when one of the counterparts of the theory is broken, the thing i wanted to point out is that not even ONE war can be justified with this thing i guess WWII was the closest or whatever but people say this current war is soooooooo bad everyones an idiot if they support and thinks its neccesary even my teacher tried to load us up on bullshit about it being wrong, but he failed to recognize his own teaching that the current war really does follow alot of the "rules" i guess you could call them and really does have the right intentions, so i am alll for it, SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!!! (all troops not just american ones :) )

o ya and one more thing Nassbitch w/e if we kill sooo many innocent civilians why do they appreciate what were doing for them by thanking us constantly and showing their support for us hmmmmmm? got anything to spout off about that????????????????????? maybe its because we got rid of the dictator oppressing them or maybe its because we give them aid, or maybe its because we spend billions of dollars each year to provide them with food, water, and other neccessary supplies......
and if yall cant tell my stance from my post, well i wanna kill all them sons-a-bitches terrorists right in there home country its the least we can do for what theyve done to us, payback bitches, payback!

[Nayse-BTC]

another guy that hasnt looked ANYTHING up. did you say oppression, blah blah blah? you can use blah blah blah, but usein it after the word oppression- doesnt that sound a bit flaky to anyone else,you didnt enjoy this class very much did you? youre seeing in the same black n white view as our stupid leaders. why?
This war folows the rules?? you need to make claims against a country and have a good argument for waging war, this is then decided upon by world leaders and the un(dodgy ill agree but its something) the US and coalition governments did not do this atall, they went straight ahead and fought a country on the basis of lies.
if you think this follows 'rules' of war, if you think invading a country and killing innocent children in there thousands,purposefully bombing hospitals and mosques, on the back of false-promises somehow follows any kind of sound judgement or 'rules'-you are maybe the dumbest person i have ever had the misfortune of meeting. like i say saddam was put in power by our governmnents, we invaded for oil- thats it, just oil. Our governments dont care 2 shits for those people dying, they dont care about that country, they dont care about the young soldiers risking there lives for fuck all- they just want the money. im sorry but if you believe anything else and you havent even bothered to look at the background and politics of this, find the truth. 'right intentions'??? dont make me laugh.
(oh and im 21, addicted only to nicotine, and youre definately not from an estate you fucking liar--you keep 'trolling', well dont it on a thread that actually is about something important for the world, you cheapen it)

[_Chris_]

another guy that hasnt looked ANYTHING up. did you say oppression, blah blah blah? you can use blah blah blah, but usein it after the word oppression- doesnt that sound a bit flaky to anyone else,you didnt enjoy this class very much did you? youre seeing in the same black n white view as our stupid leaders. why?
This war folows the rules?? you need to make claims against a country and have a good argument for waging war, this is then decided upon by world leaders and the un(dodgy ill agree but its something) the US and coalition governments did not do this atall, they went straight ahead and fought a country on the basis of lies.
if you think this follows 'rules' of war, if you think invading a country and killing innocent children in there thousands,purposefully bombing hospitals and mosques, on the back of false-promises somehow follows any kind of sound judgement or 'rules'-you are maybe the dumbest person i have ever had the misfortune of meeting. like i say saddam was put in power by our governmnents, we invaded for oil- thats it, just oil. Our governments dont care 2 shits for those people dying, they dont care about that country, they dont care about the young soldiers risking there lives for fuck all- they just want the money. im sorry but if you believe anything else and you havent even bothered to look at the background and politics of this, find the truth. 'right intentions'??? dont make me laugh.
(oh and im 21, addicted only to nicotine, and youre definately not from an estate you fucking liar--you keep 'trolling', well dont it on a thread that actually is about something important for the world, you cheapen it)
I was going to say "wow something i finally agree with" then i saw the bottom... lol!
And just because i know how to talk doesnt mean im not from an estate, i just keep away from all the scum around here;). I'm from an estate in Kidbrooke, thats all you need to know:)

Now, as i've said again and again and again, PLAY NICE IN THE FORUMS NOW.

[toyota4x4]

Im from America and I dont know about any of you but I still remember 9/11 like it was yesterday...and I think Sadaam and AlKada deserve everything were throwing at them. Yea people say Sadaam and Iraq werent the ones who attacked us but there all apart of an organization that hates the free world. We need to keep these people on the DEFENSIVE...rather than the offensive. I personally think were gonna have to do something about Iran and Syria before to long... I just wish Bush would remember what Reagan did to Omar Kadolfy (sp??) and use that tactic insted.

[Nayse-BTC]

You are being lyed to constantly wakeboard, go on the internet and look it up you fucking waste of brain cells. How many people like raids on there houses with sons and husbands being taken with no trial??? how many people like picking up the bits of there childrens corpses from the one place in the city they thought theyd be safe?? Why dont you actually find out about this before u open that dumb mouth of yours, constantly helping and supporting you? the americans fucking put the sunnis in complete reign of a country severly divided by a religion that is incredibly secular. you are so fucking dumb its joke. of course some iraqis like you theyre paid to like you, some of them have been given the rights they didnt have before this current government- and at the same time shifted the political spectrum so that shia families are beaten to death int the street by the police you americans trained, innocent men and kids are snatched from homes at gun point and held for years with no trial.

dont ever evereverevereverer try and stand up for your pissant redneck countries idea of 'freedom' ,

but I still remember 9/11 like it was yesterday...and I think Sadaam and AlKada deserve everything were throwing at them. Yea people say Sadaam and Iraq werent the ones who attacked us but there all apart of an organization that hates the free world

bomb america, if they all think like this- please just wipe them off the earth

and fuck it, im really high now and im reallly glad chris agreed with that, cause it is really fucking true. peace chris, i apologize for any insults if u will (youre toons r fukin funny)

[wakeboardnmoto]

another guy that hasnt looked ANYTHING up. did you say oppression, blah blah blah? you can use blah blah blah, but usein it after the word oppression- doesnt that sound a bit flaky to anyone else,you didnt enjoy this class very much did you? youre seeing in the same black n white view as our stupid leaders. why?
This war folows the rules?? you need to make claims against a country and have a good argument for waging war, this is then decided upon by world leaders and the un(dodgy ill agree but its something) the US and coalition governments did not do this atall, they went straight ahead and fought a country on the basis of lies.
if you think this follows 'rules' of war, if you think invading a country and killing innocent children in there thousands,purposefully bombing hospitals and mosques, on the back of false-promises somehow follows any kind of sound judgement or 'rules'-you are maybe the dumbest person i have ever had the misfortune of meeting. like i say saddam was put in power by our governmnents, we invaded for oil- thats it, just oil. Our governments dont care 2 shits for those people dying, they dont care about that country, they dont care about the young soldiers risking there lives for fuck all- they just want the money. im sorry but if you believe anything else and you havent even bothered to look at the background and politics of this, find the truth. 'right intentions'??? dont make me laugh.
(oh and im 21, addicted only to nicotine, and youre definately not from an estate you fucking liar--you keep 'trolling', well dont it on a thread that actually is about something important for the world, you cheapen it)

well where do i start, first off i never said i support the government actions because i do not agree with them just like you, i support the troops fighting for our freedoms to say what we want on here and anywhere else.
second saying we fought off of lies, well maybe its just me but i would hardly consider terrorists hijacking planes and destroying our buildings a lie because it really happened
and third yes u are correct i didnt enjoy this class one bit because i was forced to take it and my teacher was you as a 45 year old

[Nayse-BTC]

you think maybe the hijackers got off the plane and went back to iraq??
do you not understand how foolish that is??
those men did that through hatred and brain washing, but mainly an idea-
the idea that they need revenge on a disolute nation ,1 obsesed with material gains and fake 'freedoms' that loves to push around the other countries.
well, you guys really made them change their mindsh huh
now we have that same idea ten-fold, we have many more terrorist attacks, and a really fucking good reason for them.
well done, youre countries logic has made the world a more dangerous place for me, and my children, if and when i have some.
bravo

why is there so many dumb people? give me a thousand chris's before you give me one wakeboardmoto or toyota

[wakeboardnmoto]

bomb america, if they all think like this- please just wipe them off the earth



look 'dawg' i aint be 'hate-in' on yo countree my nig, but that remark was simply uncalled for and absurd

[Ivan Joidherpus]

Note to all xboxic community members:

Please, do youselves a favour. Ignore the horseshit coming from nayse-bitch. I know I will.

Don't say I didn't try to warn you.......O-)

[wakeboardnmoto]

you think maybe the hijackers got off the plane and went back to iraq??
do you not understand how foolish that is??
those men did that through hatred and brain washing, but mainly an idea-
the idea that they need revenge on a disolute nation ,1 obsesed with material gains and fake 'freedoms' that loves to push around the other countries.
well, you guys really made them change their mindsh huh
now we have that same idea ten-fold, we have many more terrorist attacks, and a really fucking good reason for them.
well done, youre countries logic has made the world a more dangerous place for me, and my children, if and when i have some.
bravo

why is there so many dumb people? give me a thousand chris's before you give me one wakeboardmoto or toyota

the last time i checked i do believe they were doin this to your country too, that would explain why this thread was started in the first place
maybe you remember a certain subway bombing
Don't say I didn't try to warn you.......O-)

lol i know i fell for his bait, he is one good troll i must say

[Nayse-BTC]

not for me mate, IF (being the operative word) they all think like this, FUCK EM
theyre gonna destroy the earth with christian bullshit. i cant hate you all (yno id probaly walk in front of a bus for bill murray) but the level of thought you guys put into this is scary. we'd all be safer with no america (yes even the uk)
and stop talking to me like some posh suburbanite housewife trying to insult an inner city child. and dont say nigga, not even in shortened form, dick.

mass9 just shut up and fuck off, you blatantly know nothing of this subject and you are cheapening it , i knew it would happen. leave it alone you both lack the brain power to understand this war obviously, and you make it very annoying for anyone who does.
yes the uk was attacked- by its own citizens, young men from leeds who had relatives who were killed in the war. they became very disillusuoned and were brainwashed in religious 'camps' in afganistan. these camps filled there heads with shite, purposefully turned them to sheep and sent them to there deaths. these lads most likely werent the smartest kids on the block, nor were they very talented. but thats how it happens. i cany help but feel for these boys in some way, they had absolutely no grasp on reality at the end of there lives. its bush and blair i despise,i honestly cant bring myself to hate the men that blew up the tubes cause it wasnt for them and it wasnt for islam, it was for some fucking nutball in turban sat happily in some mosque somwhere. i think most people with half a brain agree.

[toyota4x4]

we'd all be safer with no america (yes even the uk)

ummm no you guys would be saluting Hitler....

[wakeboardnmoto]

ya i know, its those (not im my words but yours) nutballs in turbans that were after that need to be stopped, it seems that we agree on this so im done for now \o/

[Ivan Joidherpus]

Still trying VERY VERY VERY VERY hard to ignore the bait.

[360NORML]

. i cant hate you all (yno id probaly walk in front of a bus for bill murray)

Who doesn't love the co-owner of the minor league baseball team the St. Paul Saints. :D

[Rival24]

ummm no you guys would be saluting Hitler....

Hmm not really, he'd be 118 years old by now and knowing he had Parkinson he wouldn't have made it. Besides, we would be saluting Stalin's successor, Germany was losing the war anyway.

[toyota4x4]

your right...forget what i said im just another misinformed american:)

[Nayse-BTC]

indeed 360 norml, indeed-
toyota, just because you happen to be born in a country that half a century ago finally got off its arse and gave us a huge lump of cash and stopped many people from dying, by risking there own life to do it- doesnt mean you can use that to excuse what you do now. you are pathetic to bring up the second world war like that, really fucking pathetic and im sure your grandfather would be proud. because he did it so you could gloat years later right??? no my grandfather didnt either, nor did milions upon millions all round the world trying to stop the nazis- 'you' didnt save anyone from anything, and the world owes the men from the allied forces huge debts. actually most young white men in america i talk to have alot in common with nazis.... whereas the majority of english would happily die before becoming one.
wakeboard- we agree on nothing, youre a really stupid person.
mass9- there is no 'bait' i dont want you to talk never mind reply, this is about an important subject someones brought up. you dont have anything to say in the matter, this has already been proven.

[Cage]

Hmm not really, he'd be 118 years old by now and knowing he had Parkinson he wouldn't have made it. Besides, we would be saluting Stalin's successor, Germany was losing the war anyway.

Quote for truth!


PS: about Nayse-BTC' comments.. I actually read loads and loads about the war in iraq, the Bush family, sadam, 911, terrorism etc.. And I can tell you all that he ain't talking shit. I agree with most of his statements about politics and war.. He definatly looked past the curtain that is called media and the stuff they want us to believe.. I'll say, chap.. pip-pip!

Also, he reminds me of The_Glovner.. I liked The_Glovner :) Where is that scottisch haggis eatin', swearin' fella nowadayz? Didn't see him here for a long time.. ;(

[Nayse-BTC]

thanks cage, you can tell this subject is very important to me- im so unhappy with my government its a joke. I do not talk bullshit, and my only aim (aside from taking the piss out of self-involved no-nothings) is to spread a bit of fucking knowledge. If you dont agree, state why and who n what you get your infomation from, i like discussion- thickos that think this is all black n white shouldnt enter into conversations like this, not with me around. youll be made to look really stupid to anyone who knows the first about this war.
by the way cage, i went to amsterdam and rotterdam not long ago and it was one of the best times ive ever had (not just the smoking)- i love your country very much. but please dont say chap-pip,pip thats pretty insulting...

[toyota4x4]

Im not gloatin Nayse-BTC. Your opinions are YOUR opinions I have no problem with them. Remember we have the RIGHT to our individual opinions...people in countries like Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Syria dont have that right. And as a fellow human I think they should have that freedom...everyone should have that freedom no matter your color or gender. Like you said...its not the people blowing themselves up thats at fault, its the people brainwashing them. But if they had the freedom to think for themselves then things might be diffrent.My grandfather VOLUNTEERED to fight in WW2 for that reason,he told me. My great uncle VOLUNTEERED to fight in Vietnam for the same reason.

[Cage]

but please dont say chap-pip,pip thats pretty insulting...

Sorry man. Didn't meant to insult. Just threw in some english bull for the fun of it. Didn't know it was insulting.. my bad.. And yes, Holland is a very nice country :)

[Rival24]

PS: about Nayse-BTC' comments.. I actually read loads and loads about the war in iraq, the Bush family, sadam, 911, terrorism etc.. And I can tell you all that he ain't talking shit. I agree with most of his statements about politics and war.. He definatly looked past the curtain that is called media and the stuff they want us to believe.. I'll say, chap.. pip-pip!


Yea, I also find that shit very interesting but it's really hard to tell what's true and what's not. I'm on Nayse-BTC's side in this discussion too, not that I think everything he says is true or anything (I have no way of checking) but at least he can look past what the local media tells him.

My opinion about the whole war in Iraq is that's it's fought for the wrong reason. toyota4x4: Who are you to judge other countries and their goverments. I mean, sure you don't have as much freedom in Iran as in your country, but come on.. Patriot act anyone?

[Ivan Joidherpus]

Still resisting the bait.

[_Chris_]

I'm on Nayse-BTC's side in this discussion too,


As am i for this specific subject, no question, but do you not agree hes gone about portraying his opinion in the wrong way?

[wakeboardnmoto]

As am i for this specific subject, no question, but do you not agree hes gone about portraying his opinion in the wrong way?

ya, funny thing is i didnt disagree with him on alot of stuff he was just too busy gettin pissy about everything he didnt realize it

[_Chris_]

Lol. Dont worry about it, lets just go back to how things were say, 24 hours ago? :P

[Nayse-BTC]

i alway portray my opinion the wrong way, i never denied being an idiot- i just dont lie or talk about things i dont understand like most of you do. ive tryed to be nice, ive told you this- you guys pretty much just took just the piss then tryed to constantly harassme- not the other way around.
dont fuck with my knowledge on war, but PLEASE ask me bout it, i can give you links to important programs/documentaries, and also 2 journalists that risk everything they have so people wont be as thick and mis-informed as some of these people.
everyone who just agreed with what i have said is a good person, with well-held beliefs no doubt. what you think of me is pretty inconcequential

[Rival24]

As am i for this specific subject, no question, but do you not agree hes gone about portraying his opinion in the wrong way?
Well he should start using a little more interpunction stuff here and there. Oh, cutting back on the personal attacks might be a good idea too, but other than that.. I don't really mind :P

[_Chris_]

i alway portray my opinion the wrong way, i never denied being an idiot- i just dont lie or talk about things i dont understand like most of you do. ive tryed to be nice, ive told you this- you guys pretty much just took just the piss then tryed to constantly harassme- not the other way around.
dont fuck with my knowledge on war, but PLEASE ask me bout it, i can give you links to important programs/documentaries, and also 2 journalists that risk everything they have so people wont be as thick and mis-informed as some of these people.
everyone who just agreed with what i have said is a good person, with well-held beliefs no doubt. what you think of me is pretty inconcequential
I definatly agree with your opinions on the war and shit, and its good that you know you voiced it the wrong way, but yeah incase you were reffering to me on the lie part, i dont lie, well everyone does to a certain extent, but not on this site, theres no point, everyone here are just poeple online, so who cares, theres no need to lie. but anyway, this is all done now, there are people that agree, and people that dont, hopefully all the throwing shit at each other like a bunch of apes can finally stop now:)

Forgive and forget anyone?
....lol... I sound like such a fucking hippy... :D

[Nayse-BTC]

shut up wakeboard, maybe you and everyone else who suposedly gives half a shit should read what you and the other dumbasses wrote. the naivety should actually scare most people (damn it were allied to this country and none of them have a clue whats going on) you arent even near understanding the war, and it really sucks. ill let you 'go back to how things were say, 24 hours ago?' and you can stay as dullards with little or no interest with making earth a better place (or actually keeping it habitable for human populace)

[_Chris_]

making earth a better place (or actually keeping it habitable for human populace)

Oh god dont get me started on how fucked up the human race is and what they've done to the planet... I wont stop, so i really wont start.

[wakeboardnmoto]

ill let you 'go back to how things were say, 24 hours ago?' and you can stay as dullards with little or no interest with making earth a better place (or actually keeping it habitable for human populace)

sounds good }:O (<---- I dont know what this is 8) 0

[_Chris_]

sounds good }:O (<---- I dont know what this is 8) 0

...Its a Cow...

[wakeboardnmoto]

...Its a Cow...

really?! hahha thats great i thought it was a viking or sumthin 8)7

[_Chris_]

LOL!!! You have poor eyesight or something?:P

[Nayse-BTC]

ok, i shouldnt 'attack' people, i like peaceful resolutions. i have tryed being nice but these guys dont make it easy, with snide remarks- or with there lack of knowledge (and lack of interest in its falsehoods, even when its incredibly important)
yes, our society has done well in making people who just want peace and also for voices to be heard to feel like silly hippies.
your not, good statement i apologize (again)
peace

awww cmon!! its a thread bout war and the american confuses a cow for a viking and makes the conversation about that instead. im no mensa team leader, you know this, but daaammmnnn

[max2663]

you say that yet your still saying fuck off to anyone who views the site hmm i wonder......

[_Chris_]

Max, dont get involved man, its jsut getting resolved, lets all just chillax and have a spliff/bong/beer whichever floats your boat, and just... I dunno, play nice:P

[toyota4x4]

i thought it was a tick 8)7

[_Chris_]

awww cmon!! its a thread bout war and the american confuses a cow for a viking and makes the conversation about that instead. im no mensa team leader, you know this, but daaammmnnn
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D_o__o__o_


Sorry wakeboard, but that made me laugh SO much!

[360NORML]

As am i for this specific subject, no question, but do you not agree hes gone about portraying his opinion in the wrong way?

Hyperbole gets you nothing; other than a fat contract on talk radio, doing documentaries, or your own TV "news" show.

[Ivan Joidherpus]

You see the biggest problem with a lot of this kind of crap is that people (no names here) get confused, and what initally is a discussion about terrorism and terrorists gets contorted into a discussion (if you can call the above comments a DISCUSSION?) about the Iraq war.

People, these are two fundamentally different events.

In one case, an oppressive regime was dismantled, and now, lead by the USA, my lovable yet ornery neighbor to the south, the world govenments are charged with rebuilding a society from whence there was nothing to start with. This task won't be accomplished overnight. This task also isn't without its perils. Many will die. There's no debating this fact. What's also a fact is that because of so long under such a represive regime, there are no social consequences to behaving like rabid animals. The current CIVIL WAR ragin in Iraq only showcases the underlying NEED for the US MIlitary and other military focres to be there. With armies stationed in and around the cities there is wide spread chaos and anarchy. Now imagine if those troops were pulled out? Then you would hear cries of how nothing was being done to help the Iraqi people. Lose-Lose for all involved. Keeping them in there surely isn't the long term solution, but pulling them out now would just make a bigger mess down there. TBH, it seems like more and more are treating this as a problem isolated to the USA and Iraq. This affects all of us, but I can tell you I do not lose any sleep over the fact that a war is raging in Iraq. Eventually, this war will be over. Not any time soon, but there will ultimately be an end.

In the other case, the case of the war on terror. Well, theres no way around this, but this is not so much a war as it is a marathon. I can't see and end to this fight. Not in my lifetime, or that of my unborn children. To blaket all Muslims with a label of terrorist is short sighted, naive and nothing more than stupid. There is a group amongst them that are seriously fucked up in their beliefs. This group is the one we should be worried about. However, as this past week's events in Glasgow and England can show us, we will never know who is/isn't a firm believer in these fanatical views. A statement such as "bomb scares are great, they stir up more potential extremists to fight for the mighty allah." doesn't deserve the room on my monitor that it gets. I certainly hope you were trying to be funny or something? Regardless, it was in bad taste.

Bottom line, enough with the bull shit rhetoric.
You are not asked to back the war in Iraq, or even a war on terror to keep our asses safe from random bullshit coward attacks, but for the love of christ, cut the rhetoric.


Now fuck off, the lot of you.:P

[Nayse-BTC]

i dont think my brand of anti-establishment ,anti-moron, anti-religious word play fits into forums so wel, probably not the internet either. ill tone it down.just, pleeease dont waste a chance to conversate over an important subject like this, your government doesnt want this-seriously- why do you think so many are in the dark??

[_Chris_]

Now fuck off, the lot of you.:P
Awww *hug*

[Nayse-BTC]

anyone believe this tripe?
im not even going to pick apart your crap, its just media bull and actual politicians words. you sound like a politician. sidestepping all relavent points i made with absolute bull -(i said no quotes but ok jus 1)
'To blaket all Muslims with a label of terrorist is short sighted, naive and nothing more than stupid. There is a group amongst them that are seriously fucked up in their beliefs. This group is the one we should be worried about.'

noone did this- you heard this on telly and then spat it onto this page all higdly pigdly to try and make it look like you know wat your saying

this is beyond anything i can ignore, sorry.
you dont know about this, accept it

[Ivan Joidherpus]

Awww *hug*

erm.....thanks?

[_Chris_]

erm.....thanks?
Just trying to lighten the mood:)

[Rival24]

anyone believe this tripe?
im not even going to pick apart your crap, its just media bull and actual politicians words. you sound like a politician. sidestepping all relavent points i made with absolute bull -(i said no quotes but ok jus 1)
'To blaket all Muslims with a label of terrorist is short sighted, naive and nothing more than stupid. There is a group amongst them that are seriously fucked up in their beliefs. This group is the one we should be worried about.'

noone did this- you heard this on telly and then spat it onto this page all higdly pigdly to try and make it look like you know wat your saying

this is beyond anything i can ignore, sorry.
you dont know about this, accept it
Come on dude, if you seriously want to have a discussion you should at least once respond to someone's post. You can't blame mass9 for saying the things he does, and why should he believe you? You haven't quoted any sources or anything.

[Ivan Joidherpus]

anyone believe this tripe?
im not even going to pick apart your crap, its just media bull and actual politicians words. you sound like a politician. sidestepping all relavent points i made with absolute bull -(i said no quotes but ok jus 1)
'To blaket all Muslims with a label of terrorist is short sighted, naive and nothing more than stupid. There is a group amongst them that are seriously fucked up in their beliefs. This group is the one we should be worried about.'

noone did this- you heard this on telly and then spat it onto this page all higdly pigdly to try and make it look like you know wat your saying

this is beyond anything i can ignore, sorry.
you dont know about this, accept it


Sure thing bud. Whatever you say.
I live in perhaps, the most multicultural city in the world. There are over 140 languages spoken in and aroung Toronto.
I work with Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Catholics, Jews and agnostics.
In fact, my muslim co-worker and I are having a good laugh at you right now. Afterwards, we will go for a beer and talk about the World Under 20's. I can tell you one thing and one thing only. He's a great person, but because of his name, he's looked at 'different' than I am. Now I'm not a hypocrite. I know this guy, but I don't know every muslim in the world. By and large, the muslims that I have met have been good people. I will say the same for the English. By and large, they are good people. Now don't even fuck around and say all English are good people. Thats retarded. By and large, Canadians are good people. But not all of them.

I suppose that by me saying that not all Muslims ar terrorists must prove to you that I don't now what I'm talking about:?

Now enough is enough. I'm a better person than you and refuse to get goaded into any stupid childish shit.

I repeat my earlier comment, I'd rather deal with 50 false alarms than 1 real one. And I'll gladly go about my days firm in my beliefs, just as thousands of radical muslims will too.

My point is that not all of them are terrorists, just like not all Amercs are fat, not all Brits have bad teeth, not all Italians are mobsters, not all blacks are thugs and not all jews are accountants. Some, but def not all.

[Nayse-BTC]

errrr we are in this illegal war without any public opinion as judgement, and its supposedly a democracy- if you cant see the wrong it that your crazy- oh and you are, you made this comment
'even a war on terror to keep our asses safe from random bullshit coward attacks'
a war to stop random cowardly attack on allied turf?
your country wages a foreign war in a different country to where the extremists 'terror training' camps are and you think this stops american-based terrorists how???
the segregation in the muslim community has increased the likelyhood of terrorists but has reduced the chances of finding them.
Not to mention the fact that CIA agents were in full talks with osama and his astanged family (U.S. residents)before the war. IT WAS ALLLLL FOOOR THHHE MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!
its always about the money and the power, evrytime evrywhere
you are 'INSERT MEANINGFUL AND VERY SERIOUS INSULT HERE'

I work with Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Catholics, Jews and agnostics.
In fact, my muslim co-worker and I are having a good laugh at you right now. Afterwards, we will go for a beer and talk about the World Under 20's. I can tell you one thing and one thing only. He's a great person, but because of his name, he's looked at 'different' than I am. Now I'm not a hypocrite. I know this guy, but I don't know every muslim in the world. By and large, the muslims that I have met have been good people. I will say the same for the English. By and large, they are good people. Now don't even fuck around and say all English are good people. Thats retarded. By and large, Canadians are good people. But not all of them.

i didnt ask if you were a rascist,its not about 'all muslim'and this isnt a personal attack!!
go to muslim communties in the ACTUAL COALITION COUNTRIES: UK USA AUSTRALIA and you will find huge fucking segregation. damn it !
'you are a better person?' who cares????
what kind of person would make that comment? what???
my teeth are fucking horrible my friend im done with you

i want people to see truth,not get pissed off im sorry
chris really was bang on- but hes still a dik too (one of them is at least, i get confused now..)

i hate u people

[Ivan Joidherpus]

my teeth are fucking horrible my friend im done with you

1. I'm not your friend. Don't be daft young man.
2. I can only hope you're sincere in ending this crap, however based on your previous behaviour I'm not holding my breath.

[_Chris_]

chris really was bang on- but hes still a dik too (one of them is at least, i get confused now..)

i hate u people
Oh my days, i have been fucking nice to you for the last fucking hour, trying to forget all this and you still carry on?! youre...I dont know... I really dont know what you are, so fucking baffled man.

[Nayse-BTC]

and the segregation things true, uk and oz aint as bad usually but you have the stereotypes as hard as you used to, and its not a black on white segregation atall here simply muslims who are seriously tightening up in many places- theres riots, theres shit popping off because of communities sectioning up too much.
its serious fucking business this war is creating, so saying 'im not asked to back this war' is frankly taking the piss out of everybody.
i dont need a fucking bibliography kiddo, you should know this shit

i meant the other chris, chris

...

[_Chris_]

i meant the other chris, chris

Fair enough, my bad.

[Nayse-BTC]

you know what im talkin bout dont you chris?

it does affect everybody when you go to war, it allows bad shit to happen needlessly when those in charge make ridiculous descisions questionlessly in parliment, theres whole shit load wrong with the american government too.
i think sitting on a canadian high horse doesnt work so well. i dont honestly know what its like in canada (my sister said it very good), but i dont know if you can compare them.

[_Chris_]

I do agree on a lot of your views on the war and such, and there definatly is a problem here with certain muslims, and i dont mean all, just a specific few, not just the ones wanting to blow stuff up, though im not getting too involved i this one:P

[Rival24]

Nayse-BTC: You think we (the world) shouldn't have done anything about Afghanistan or Iraq?

[Nayse-BTC]

great a fencesitter, cmon chris- intelligent conversation is ringing ,will you answer the call? fuck as soon as you get to a point on this subject,people who actually know- bail out. its fucking true, politicians, community leaders, teachers, guys in videogames forums all will just not get into it.

rival, do you know much of the war between afganistan and the former soviet union? if not best to look it up.

[_Chris_]

Lol, i just get on with most people in the forums, and im not too sure my views on this countries foreign policy would go down too well with everyone, and i dont wanna cause anymore shit than there already has been:P

[Warzin]

Ants also fight over resources and they don't need the money.

It all comes down to biology NOT politics.

Maybe being the "highly evolved sentient creatures" we are we could overcome our predicament but if the slope to our unhappiness is down it's pretty damn hard to get the majority to walk up hill. They'll justify the easy route. That's not to say some won't make the effort.

But the phrase "Pissing in the wind" describes the futility of trying.

[kobejonez]

Well obviously it goes with out saying that all violence no matter who perpetrates it IS NOT COOL. War isn't about freedom now its about money. As far as I can see it these are facts, anything else is semantics and the opinion differs depending on the individual. Not all Americans are 35st neocon assault rifle owners,in fact only a small % are. 0.0000001% of all Muslims are out to kill you as opposed to 13% of white folks. Bickering on the hows and wherefores will only create confusion and will not help in resolving the matter.
Only the weak support any kind of violence.

[Nayse-BTC]

somebody went to university didnt they?
you went deep there. you win.

you aswell kobe- where were you guys 30 min ago?

[Warzin]

Elsewhere.

To be honest I rarely add to discussions because most minds are ready made and nothing comes of banging your head against a wall except a headache.

[Rival24]

rival, do you know much of the war between afganistan and the former soviet union? if not best to look it up.
What does that have to do with anything? If you're talking about the US funding the rebels over there with weapons, then yeah, I know about that.

[Curry]

Despite lacking the odd bit of presentational skills, Nayse-BTC is making some quite valid points in this topic, although I fear the same lack of presentational finesse is causing them not to land properly ;)

Every time Bush or Blair spoke on TV about bringing democracy to the poor people in the Middle East I cringed. Did anyone ever bother to ask the Afghans or the Iraqis whether they wanted democracy? No, that's Western supremacy doing the good old "If we like it, they must sure like it too!" thing that worked miracles for Coca Cola and McDonalds. Except that in those 2 cases the people's wallets did the eventual talking, and noone forced a hamburger down their throat with an M16. They've never had democracy, they've never wanted it, and why would they bother? Historically they've always had dictatorships under their ancestral tribe leaders, and more frequently been perfectly happy with that than most Western countries with their so-called fairly chosen governments, that due to the inherent weaknesses of democracy better represent the choices of the less intelligent and gullible majority following the commercial media than the intellectual minority of a population.

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are no more than modern crusades in my opinion, with self-proclaimed enlightened Christians spreading their wise beliefs amongst the poor underdeveloped black folks. A few centuries ago it was Christianity that was used as a poor excuse to plunder wealths, ransack cities and get some target practice, now it's Democracy that's being used as a poor excuse to spread capitalism, hoping to further spread their corporate interests and keep the control over the all-important oil out of dictator's hands.

If there was any kind of human interest involved, someone please go tell me why the only serious military campaigns since the end of the Cold War have been in the Middle East, and not in Africa where ten if not hundred times as many people have been mercilessly killed or ruthlessly starved by maniacal dictators.

[Warzin]

But his point is veiled. He hides his modesty well. Human nature is not a product of politics but otherwise. And by banging the drum the way he does he's trying (ultimately)to congratulate himself in not being you or me.

[kobejonez]

Despite lacking the odd bit of presentational skills, Nayse-BTC is making some quite valid points in this topic, although I fear the same lack of presentational finesse is causing them not to land properly ;)



Eeeeh The Dutch are reet canny int they?! I'm glad you thought it too cos I thought that apart from being factory new to the forum and a touch over zealous he's got a redeeming passion for his subject matter and seemingly a clue. Mass 9 I'm not saying you're wrong, But you're responces kinda put you in the wrong due to lack of maturity and you're adoption of a slightly hostile posture in some your replies.As experienced members of this forum it is up to us to show new members how to behave as valuable, articulate future members of the community by leading by example and for instance holding your tongue when you wanna flame and know that to function as a legitimate respected collective member of the gaming community and to earn the perks that will follow with that we need to maintain a high standard of forum communication as topics are on the main page. Therefore the content is representative of us and accessible to all who visit a main page. I write this with the humble and wiser perspective of someone who has had a difficult time adjusting to forum life and has managed some degree of success in part through the patience of and general understanding of more established members and staff. Not saying we should run the place like a library or school, just that we ALL should think harder about how we treat each other and this forum. To basically think before entering into the discussion, considering other peoples beliefs and views when submitting you're own, and thinking weather or not your post is relevant and ultimately helpful or insightful. New, inexperienced and young members are impressionable and if they see behavior from experienced members that is unacceptable, they could decide that IS acceptable and keep pushing it till they are banned by general consent or leave due to being hated. Peace and understanding is cheap, attainable and if you know where to look and have patience abundant, Lets start by making it available to everyone not just to hippies and new age types who dress it in kaftans, embrace and nurture its inner beauty with an open mind in a field whilst leaving it smelling of lentils and petuli oil.LOL see intolerance is only funny when applied to hippies and tree hugging earth mothers.
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Stay a ware, we need to recruit as many wares as possible.
OneMan, ONE LOVE 1IC! One long post. phew.. and breathe.
Abort, Retry, Fail.

[UKJAY]

New members are always on their own defence (thats my opinion), I think despite lack of manners at the minute, he could grow on me! He's venting his stuff at the wrong people for the wrong reason's - but I like upfront, direct and pure honesty. He's not as dumb as some may think...he just needs to cool it a little...

[Curry]

"highly evolved sentient creatures" we are
Buh, we're mammals with big brains and fingers that's all. Everything else about humans is just ridiculously inefficient and a sure sign of failing natural selection for lack of efficient enough predators.

As for the sentient part, I dare say everything we do still boils down to the ancient rules of breeding and eating.

[wakeboardnmoto]

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D_o__o__o_


Sorry wakeboard, but that made me laugh SO much!

its ok i honestly couldnt tell and its been bugging me for quite sometime, i just didnt think that would continue to make him even madder at me o well its not like i really care }:O

[UKJAY]

somebody went to university didnt they?
you went deep there. you win.

you aswell kobe- where were you guys 30 min ago?



Are you a DJ or involved in something musically?



edit: its ok no need to answer I've just seen you're homepage since posting ... does CrazyPellas mean 'owt to you? did you get banned?

[Nayse-BTC]

yes i lack finesse.
made this a bit more interesting though huh
its more than biology etc to be honest though- curry, you got your head on straight ,seem to have a healthy dislike for the church;),yeh none of these governments does anything for other third world nations that are ripped apart by famine and civil war .it goes back a long time,and its always about oil n money -the first world war anyone? ever heard of the berlin-baghdad railway?
didnt really think it was coz of ferdinand right?
rival -look up sayid kuter

im a dj and producer jay, not sure if your being condesending here with ya comments, but ill go with it- im not looking for some kind of acceptance here fellas --see kobes tracks hes very good

yeh i went on that site once i think, why- what have i done this time?

[UKJAY]

im a dj and producer jay, not sure if your being condesending here with ya comments, but ill go with it- im not looking for some kind of acceptance here fellas --see kobes tracks hes very good

yeh i went on that site once i think, why- what have i done this time?

No I don't patronise anybody. Just you had a dj kinda look about you, should have just looked at your profile stuff. And I'm not particulary bothered about your 'acceptance' it's not a super great great clique here, but anybody could choose to post in your similar style if they so chose to and get the same responce. It's not your acceptance I was thinking about - it was your purpose?

[Nayse-BTC]

heheh yeh there is a dj look isnt there? i think its cig-dryed skin and 5 oclock shadow -ok my bad, i gotta get used to the you talking to someone else while im reading it thing- its easier if you you just say it to me im gonna read anyway aint i? soo... whats this bout crazypellas

[UKJAY]

heheh yeh there is a dj look isnt there? i think its cig-dryed skin and 5 oclock shadow -ok my bad, i gotta get used to the you talking to someone else while im reading it thing- its easier if you you just say it to me im gonna read anyway aint i? soo... whats this bout crazypellas

I just had this thought that you looked a bit like a DJ, I don't usually bother with anyones profile info on here because it usually states the obvious and not many put personal web page up or site...so I just searched your name on google and it came up with video downloads and crazypella's profile a website for DJ's; you registered 2006 and no post's or threads - which I thought very unlike you to join a forum and not post something, so assumed you might have had a ban and they removed your posts.

[Nayse-BTC]

nope, first time i ever talked to anyone on a forum. i went on crazypellas coz i thought i could get free shit.
im not sure if i like the fact that you can google me-hold on- theres like 13 fucking results man, thats not good for me yno (and bf2 server info??, *cough* probably need to uninstall that)

[nofear360]

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[juiceboxhero10]

I knew about what was happening overseas. I knew about certain truths being withheld. I knew about what all this is really about. Still, I've been in the US Army since 31Oct06. Its not about whether you support the war or not. Its about wanting your family and friends safe from others in the world who really couldn't give a shit less. I don't want to kill anyone unless they are trying to harm someone close to me. My bro married a girl with a Muslim family, which if I may say, are some of the coolest and chillest people I have ever met. So for me, its not about hating Muslims, or wanting to kill, or supporting certain governments (not really allowed to talk fully on this, although I will say that most soldiers have a different mindset than you might think). Its about doing what I feel is right for myself. No one forced me to do this, its not a draft. Whatever decision the president makes, I will follow. Its part of the job.

I'm just saying that before you make generalizations about us, just think about it a bit. You'd be alright if we could all just step off the arguments. Also, do something if you don't think its right, bro. Posting on forums is alright and all, but it won't change the world.

[wakeboardnmoto]

i like this guy

[TRIGGER M4N]

Well, at least Alan Johnston has been released.

[kobejonez]

I knew about what was happening overseas. I knew about certain truths being withheld. I knew about what all this is really about. Still, I've been in the US Army since 31Oct06. Its not about whether you support the war or not. Its about wanting your family and friends safe from others in the world who really couldn't give a shit less. I don't want to kill anyone unless they are trying to harm someone close to me. My bro married a girl with a Muslim family, which if I may say, are some of the coolest and chillest people I have ever met. So for me, its not about hating Muslims, or wanting to kill, or supporting certain governments (not really allowed to talk fully on this, although I will say that most soldiers have a different mindset than you might think). Its about doing what I feel is right for myself. No one forced me to do this, its not a draft. Whatever decision the president makes, I will follow. Its part of the job.

I'm just saying that before you make generalizations about us, just think about it a bit. You'd be alright if we could all just step off the arguments. Also, do something if you don't think its right, bro. Posting on forums is alright and all, but it won't change the world.

Full respect due_o_ I have nothing but compassion and awe for guys+girls serving in the forces, however as much respect as I for you guys I have fear , , distrust and anger for the federal government and you're commander in chief
Now Bush and CO are slagged off by everyone by and large, So I'm gonna briefly go for the burn...OK hold tight republicans and remember what ever you're political leanings where ever you live hold whom ever you elect as you're representative in government to the highest standards and don't settle for any funny business once they've been elected, That said when a candidate gets into office by blatantly cheating and not holding to the fairly elected winner wins tradition, its time to form a posse to eject and punish for treason(in a Federation?!) the miscreant asap. Well it should of been now he has made it so if you even tried you'd be the criminal and by criminal you know they call that brand of criminal a Terrorist so what does the term mean?
Now who's to say for sure what a man capable of cheating and defrauding the country hes in charge of is?! But its not hard to suspect the worst and that he is abusing his power and robbing a proud strong nation of the freedoms the country was founded and grew to greatness on. I honestly couldn't represent the US forces right now because I wouldn't trust the orders I'd been given by a leader as misguided and corrupt as Bush, Now don't misunderstand I realise that an army should be there to protect the citizens and their homes when an enemy is advancing with menace. However to blindly participate in an order given by a commander of questionable judgment, is irresponsible on the part of the soldier, again I understand the duty of a soldier is to be protector of the land but its also the duty of a responsible modern soldier to question and challenge a command and its source with due course or reasonable suspicion of wrong doing, though its not anyones fault for carrying on regardless thats exactly what I would want you to do in his position, give y'all other more pressing issues to cope with that will help you move on. Why would I or anyone be motivated to gain power illegally and dishonestly. Well could be the power its self, it sure has its attractions and that fancy house.....even for GWB an already very wealthy and powerful man to begin with, being president would be a step up. OK so theres one possible motive for hijacking a nation but it doesn't quite seem worth it just for that. So what else ??? HMMM could it be that all this conflict of late has generated arms and defense contracts in high numbers and record contracts to firms that have/had board members within Bush's staff and in fact his circle of buddies. Nothing improper there. Ignoring the fact that isn't just Weapons, its building contracts and oil too. And what could be in for me if I just sorted out a mate by at least increasing the price of his stock and at best earned him a substantial dividend running into colossal sums, now I dunno about you but this seems a compelling and highly probable motive of a few for committing a crime as large as this. My advice is if youn't know for sure don't allow fox news to be your decision maker, inform your self from as unbiased and trustworthy source as you can find and draw you're own conclusion based on rationale and evidence If you havn't already get angry, hell even support the evil sell out liberty taker if you're happy with what you did or did not discover. Thanks for reading this far if you did. You're not in the wrong for wanting change for the good of the country and you're not in the minority either.
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[Gaz-DanaWalker]

I have agreed with most things Nayse-BTC has had to point up.
Im not saying its correct but its what I believe at the moment.
I really should read up about it so I can give my thoughts to the discusion but im not educated in it enough to not make an arse of myself so iv just been enjoyin reading everyones posts.


:drunk:+}:O=O+(Achievement unlocked:Cow Sex!(gp)30)

[Warzin]

Whatever decision the president makes, I will follow.

Why would you put yourself in that position, voluntarily?

If you choose to do it because you believe the president is right, then that's just opinion, but why would you place yourself in a position where you may have to do something you don't agree with.

[Curry]

I knew about what was happening overseas. I knew about certain truths being withheld. I knew about what all this is really about. Still, I've been in the US Army since 31Oct06. Its not about whether you support the war or not. Its about wanting your family and friends safe from others in the world who really couldn't give a shit less. I don't want to kill anyone unless they are trying to harm someone close to me. My bro married a girl with a Muslim family, which if I may say, are some of the coolest and chillest people I have ever met. So for me, its not about hating Muslims, or wanting to kill, or supporting certain governments (not really allowed to talk fully on this, although I will say that most soldiers have a different mindset than you might think). Its about doing what I feel is right for myself. No one forced me to do this, its not a draft. Whatever decision the president makes, I will follow. Its part of the job.

I'm just saying that before you make generalizations about us, just think about it a bit. You'd be alright if we could all just step off the arguments. Also, do something if you don't think its right, bro. Posting on forums is alright and all, but it won't change the world.
Cheers man :) I don't think anyone here would dare attack you for being the army, that's something for hippie pacifists and tree-huggers. The military is a necessary evil, not many other jobs people enjoy and voluntarily choose for. The average employee at a multinational does more things he doesn't want to per day than the average soldier.

And secondly, if some gorilla president (hi George) decides we're going to be crusading on the poor muslims again, we'd better have some good peeps there and make sure it doesn't become too messy. Likewise, I don't support the Dutch presence in Afghanistan, but I think they're doing a great job under tough circumstances :)

[Number 13]

Cant be bothered with it anymore.
With Glasgow Airports attack on Saturday everyone is jumping on the band wagon claiming bombs.
My home (Kilmarnock) town center is completly evacuated and the streets are blocked. Just because someone was nosey enough to spot a suitcase in someones car in a car park.

Anyone else getting the same stories here?
One of the controlled explosions (the one outside the Mosque on Forth Street) was one street away from me. I live in Pollokshields, which is a massive Asian area.

Truth be told, I'm more worried about asshat skinheads turning up and looking for 'revenge' than being hurt/killed in a terrorist attack. Aside from the lads who think they're in The Fast And The Furious, this is a quiet, peaceful area.

[Nayse-BTC]

i think this shouldve got left after warzins deep comment.
im sorry but again someones being silly,

noones really questioning this army guy but hes doesnt actually make alot of sense.
fuk it...
'its not about whether you support the war or not'-
yes ,yes it is. saying its not is taking the piss.
maybe for someone who has given up their free-will and choices in the matter,maybe.
but for us here it is very fucking important whether or not you support it because it shows incompetance and gross misconduct in government.

'Its about wanting your family and friends safe from others in the world who really couldn't give a shit less'
sorry, i didnt realise the men and women in iraq were posing a threat to your family in america.
because there are no WMDs, there is nonone that was part of the 'alqueda' (a term the us presidency created)9/11 attack in iraq now so thats also pointless.
'My bro married a girl with a Muslim family, which if I may say, are some of the coolest and chillest people I have ever met. So for me, its not about hating Muslims, or wanting to kill,'--
why do these people do this?? nobody is asking if you are a rascist, or even if you like muslims- that is not part of the conversation and never has been (it just makes you look more like a rascist actually)


'or supporting certain governments'--
but thats the point ,it IS about you supporting certain governments dumbass.
you are supporting a fake democracy, a sunni leadership not based on real votes or hearings. (kinda like your government huh?)
want to know how pissed off people in uk would be if you could only vote for roman catholics? that the soldiers your army trains kills people, shia villages are destroyed and no trial for dead/incarserated shia men shows that your army is full of shit. i see the vids of you guys fucking up peoples houses- then fucking laughing. youre scum.

are you in the same reality as everyone else?
ive seen alot of footage about us soldiers and have never once seen anything good. i continue to be disapointed

and yeh, some of us do try to make a difference this forum allows topical debate. something which doesnt happen for soldiers in your army. and its not about changing the world in that way-- you my friend, are changing the world. AND YOUR FUCKING IT UP !!!!

'Its about doing what I feel is right for myself.'

hope it still feels right when youre picking up the dimembered corpse of the child you just accidently murdered, fucking cunt.

this is a needless war and you are the tools of destruction. they use you because you dont question, you just do. and thats a pretty fucking low grade of human.

[_Chris_]

they use you because you dont question, you just do.
No offence to the army guy but isnt that why they are called "grunts"?

[Nayse-BTC]

....of course you like him wakeboard, you have brain the size of a peanut.

[Ivan Joidherpus]

The wise and grand nayse-bitch continues to ride high on his rhetoric spewing soapbox, and all the while, the world continues to turn. Please dude, give it a rest.

As was mentioned above, armies, and war for that matter, are a neccesary evil. One no one wants or is happy about, but remains none the less. To the soldiers out there, much love and respect good sirs and madams. By and large, the vast majority of soldiers (US and others) are good people. The images of solders laughing and cheering after killing someone DO NOT REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF THEM. Just the same, the muslims currently being held in this investigation DO NOT REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS. People on the whole can be good, bad or indifferent. Their skin, race, creed or beliefs will be a part in moulding that person, but ultimately, people know the difference between right and wrong. I'm done with this crap. It would be nice if everyone could pack up their stuff and haul ass back home, out of Iraq, out of Afganistan out of wherever the fuck they are. Reality is that this can't happen overnight.

But sleep easy folks. Bush's 2nd term is nearing its end. It'll be interesting (very) to see what the exit strategy will be for Iraq. The troops in Afghanistan on the other hand, are most likely going to be there for quite a while longer. Sad, but true.
__________________________________________________ ________

The 'tube was evacuated again yesterday in London. Another (thankfully) false alarm. Does this constitute being "In the pockets of dictators". Or maybe, just maybe, its a precaution so that today we aren't reading about another 52 dead bodies? I shouldn't have to remind the Brits that we're approaching the 2 year anniversary for the previous underground bombings (07-07-07, just noticed the date, pretty cool, eh?). I can't even begin to imagine why nayse-bitch started in on me in the first place. My stance was one that I will continue to hold. I'd rather deal with 50 false alarms than 1 real one. Apparently, this position makes it seem that I'm a. naive or b. stupid. Well, stupid naive me doesn't ever want to see that shit again. When the towers feel on 9/11 I remember the feeling of emptiness. Two years ago, with the bombing in London, I felt the same feeling. If we can take proactive measures to ensure these scenes are not repeated, how can we be wrong for doing so? No one, here or anywhere else, promotes neadless killing (except in games, after all, thats why we're here right?) but with war, comes death. And really, whats the alternative? Turn a blind eye to the lawlessness and anarchy that have plaugued the middle east since the dawn of time?

Quote that its about oil. Quote that its about money. Quote that its about territory and family business gone bad.

Close, but not quite what its really about.
This is about "My God can kick your God's ass."

I think its about time for a clean slate, so what do you say Big Man Upstairs, time for another flood?

[Nayse-BTC]

for the western governments its all about money, please try and keep up - not going to dignify the rest with a response kiddo sorry.

[_Chris_]

"kiddo" lol swear Mass is older than you, if youre 21 anyway..

[Ivan Joidherpus]

"kiddo" lol swear Mass is older than you, if youre 21 anyway..

Yeah, but I'm doing my absolute best to ignore him. He isn't worth my (or yours, or anyones for that matter) time.

[Nayse-BTC]

i say kiddo to anyone, it wasnt suppose to be affectionate, or patronizing.
if you dont like what i say, fine, but every last bit will ring true for anyone with the most meager of intellects.
lets fight the 'the lawlessness and anarchy that has plagued the middle east since the dawn of time' -theres nothing even slightly wrong that remark is there?
are you saying this because you just dont like me or because you know what youre talking about and have historical knowledge that dismisses all my obviously useless input on the subject?
it isnt the latter is it?

(by the way, if the weather here is anything to go by, your 'man upstairs' took you seriously)

the point is mass, the soldiers are all the same if given the same order, do you understand? and fact that the majority of muslims arent being held without trial isnt much consolation to the ones that are. and have been since the beginning of the war. all the actual facts you bring up havent been questioned- you can look at the history of northern ireland for help on exactly how long this shit will carry on for. and aside from constantly perverting my words and mis-quoting me (and making blatantly bigoted comments about the middle east without even an ounce of thought) you do nothing to further this discussion- i suggest anyone who wants to read pure drivvle and completely over the top abusive comments sees the second post by mass9 in this thread.

[Ivan Joidherpus]

The civilian death rate has acutally gone down from the days of Saddam wiping out scroes of his own people for beliveing in the same fundamental things, but expressing their beliefs differently (Sunnis v. Kurds v. Shites). Fact is, there is no easy way to solve the middle east conflicts, and sitting at your computer spouting off rhetoric is just a waste of everyone elses time.

Bottom line, I don't like you, and I don't like your rhetoric and posturing. You aren't impressing anyone around here, and I know that you couldn't care less and blah blah blah..... but enough already. Stop being so damn negative.

What, this post?
Still holds true IMO.

[wakeboardnmoto]

i like how his current strategy has become quote what everyone else writes then just call it irrelevant and state how dumb you are for believing it (i am guessing a response to this might include something like "ur an idiot", "u have no brain", or "u dont know anything" not that that would be coming from past occurences tho, just a guess ;) )

[kobejonez]

i like how his current strategy has become quote what everyone else writes then just call it irrelevant and state how dumb you are for believing it (i am guessing a response to this might include something like "ur an idiot", "u have no brain", or "u dont know anything" not that that would be coming from past occurrences tho, just a guess ;) )

Thats horstachio sh1t, Lame, lame, lamety lame. Why does someone as dum you evn bthr to pst? My bro in a wheelchair would spank you into the next zip code.
Totally JK!!!! Just couldn't resist I bet someone has beazt me to it.>:):P

[UKJAY]

thought it was yet another row !

[Chris]

http://john.pettigrew.org.uk/blog/images/Haggis.jpg

[Rival24]

Trying to lure Glovny back in here? :P

[Ivan Joidherpus]

^^^^^^^Iraqi hamburgers?
:9~
yum!

Now really, ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP.

[kobejonez]

http://john.pettigrew.org.uk/blog/images/Haggis.jpg

I'm glad I don't know what these are, something to do with chemical warfare??

[wakeboardnmoto]

i think thats the cheap form of getting breast implants like the baragain corner or somethin :P

[juiceboxhero10]

Did I anywhere in my post mention that I was trying to protect my friends and family only from citizens in Iraq? No, I'm quite sure that I didn't. Attacks could come from anywhere, you realize that, right? I never said there were WMDs, and never mentioned Al Queda or 9/11, either.

Why did I include the statement about meeting the Muslim family? I did it because I'm not going to lie, at one time I was generalizing about them (like you do about others), and saying that they were all wrong and a threat. Yes, I was wrong about them. Also, just for the record, Muslim is a religion, not a race, so even if I did hate them, I would be prejudice, not racist. Maybe it is you who should look something up for a change.

You've seen videos of us? Hmm... what do I look like then? What exactly was I doing on the video? Please tell me, I'd really like to know, because as far as I know, I've never been to Iraq, so tell me where'd you get that video of me? Oh that's right. It wasn't me. It was other people. I guess based on your logic that I am them and they are me. Is that what you mean?

You say I should feel bad when I pick up dismembered babies that I accidentally killed. You realize that not all soldiers are infantrymen. I work with satellite communications... so I suppose my big satellite and parked truck are going to kill people? Please enlighten me on how this would happen.

I never said anything about you, because I don't know you. I never said anything about your country or government, because I don't know how it is to live there. So why must you continue to make derogatory comments about my country, government and person. The only thing I did was state why I serve, and you see it as some sort of threat. You don't really know what we do, as I'm sure you've never served in the US Army, or any military for that matter. So to say that we're all murderers and baby-killers isn't really a valid statement if you really don't know for sure. Okay, you saw a couple videos and some pictures. Have you seen what we all do, or just a few?

I suppose I don't have much else to say really. I guess I'll just continue with the so-called needless war, killing babies and innocent people and such, being the low grade of human that I am, wanting to serve my country instead of rediculing it. Give me a break... I can do this in my living room?

"tool of destruction" or some shit like that.

[_Chris_]

http://john.pettigrew.org.uk/blog/images/Haggis.jpg
Fucking Haggis:r:r:r:r:r:r:r:r:r

[kobejonez]

What you said
Who is this post directed at? Or is it just general.
Its Haggis *bleugh*
OMG thats food?! OK I know what haggis is but I think I forgot how gross it looks.

[Nayse-BTC]

i dont want another row neither chris, these aint smart to keep doing this though,
you, army boy- if you were infantry, you would be put in the position of actually taking innocent lives- you obviously aint infantry.its called making a point. you do some task (that granted i know nothing about)that in some way directly aids the 'war on terror'.you are very much a tool of destruction that contributes to needless warfare. you yourself have agreed the grounds for this war are shaky at best yet you still serve a government that has, amongst other things, put our infantry (everybodys) in the shit
wmds alqueda etc are the supposed reasons for our countries creation of the war, so it is right to bring them up when discrediting your input.

you still havent made a decent arguement against anything ive said.
youve just whined and tryed to reitterate your same invalid claims only to inflate your own sense of worth and false beliefs.im getting soooo tired.
it makes me not want to come back here anymore, which would please you greatly.


haggis is good eatin

[_Chris_]

i dont want another row neither chris,
What have i said? "fucking haggis"???

[Ivan Joidherpus]

you still havent made a decent arguement against anything ive said.
youve just whined and tryed to reitterate your same invalid claims only to inflate your own sense of worth and false beliefs.im getting soooo tired.
it makes me not want to come back here anymore, which would please you greatly.


haggis is good eatin

Please don't be a dream.....please don't be a dream......plesae don't be a dream.
:z:z:z:z

the only thing I can agree with you is your last statement, but I think you should add that "When done correctly, haggis is good eating."
That stuff looks like your moms sweaty tits.:P

[juiceboxhero10]

Congratulations. You realized that I'm not trying to argue with you. So whenever you want to quit, that's fine. I have yet to argue, and I just won't do it on a forum. I haven't pushed any political or religious views on you. Say what you want, I really couldn't care. You're the one making an argument out of me simply wanting to say something. I guess you feel really special now, don't you?

And whatever that was in that pic, I've never seen it... what exactly is it?

[UKJAY]

Congratulations. You realized that I'm not trying to argue with you. So whenever you want to quit, that's fine. I have yet to argue, and I just won't do it on a forum. I haven't pushed any political or religious views on you. Say what you want, I really couldn't care. You're the one making an argument out of me simply wanting to say something. I guess you feel really special now, don't you?

And whatever that was in that pic, I've never seen it... what exactly is it?


Welcome to the forums. :)

It isn't usually like this - just I think everyones having a bad few days. Im over mine !!

[_Chris_]

And whatever that was in that pic, I've never seen it... what exactly is it?
I did already tell everyone:P, its Haggis:r:r:r

[wakeboardnmoto]

that is some serious nasty lookin shit i always thought a haggis was some kinda meat but i guess i was wrong }:O

[_Chris_]

that is some serious nasty lookin shit i always thought a haggis was some kinda meat but i guess i was wrong }:O
You wernt wrong, its something liek the lining or something of a sheeps stomach, thats the big you can see, the rest is different organs and stuff... (i think, if im wrong im not far off)

[wakeboardnmoto]

how can that possibly taste good? yuck it sounds like some low grade mix of w/e you can find to stick in there

[juiceboxhero10]

Welcome to the forums. :)

It isn't usually like this - just I think everyones having a bad few days. Im over mine !!

Yeah, I've been coming to this site more and more lately and figured that I would go ahead and join the forums. The site is great and you guys seem pretty cool.

Oh yeah, I looked up haggis, it doesn't seem like it would be that bad. I might have to try that sometime.

[Nayse-BTC]

twas jay who forsaw a row, my bad sun

and i wasnt just talking to you juicebox- hope you enjoy your work..

[jacobmars]

You are, bar none, the biggest pain in the ass I could imagine.
Piss off you miserable twat.
In all your posts thus far, there hasn't been one constructive comment you've made.
Fuck This! Fuck That! Fuck the other thing too!
Bitch Bitch Bitch Bitch Bitch. God damned. Someone needs a friggin hug.

Bomb scares put everyone in the pockets of dictators?
Are you serious? Do you even think about what you're typing?

Suicide bombers kill less people per day than cars on the roads?
Compare apples to apples dip shit. If there were as many bobmers as there are cars on the road you MAY have a tiny argument on your hands, but there isn't. Period. If 100 cars kill 2 people, and 1 bomber kills 15 where the hell is your logic (if any?) coming from?

Neo-conservative governments gained from this war?
How so? The lose of public support? The monterous tallies of debt to finance the war? The broken families? Yeah, it sure sounds like everyone came out a winner........retard. Take this kind of stupidity elsewhere.

Yes, a country was invaded. I don't think there is a LEGAL way to invade a country so I'm not sure what you mean by Illegally. What you don't mention is that that same country was repressed for decades under an iron fist. Those people were worse off under Saddam than they are under anarchy. Its sad, but true. The civilian death rate has acutally gone down from the days of Saddam wiping out scroes of his own people for beliveing in the same fundamental things, but expressing their beliefs differently (Sunnis v. Kurds v. Shites). Fact is, there is no easy way to solve the middle east conflicts, and sitting at your computer spouting off rhetoric is just a waste of everyone elses time.

Bottom line, I don't like you, and I don't like your rhetoric and posturing. You aren't impressing anyone around here, and I know that you couldn't care less and blah blah blah..... but enough already. Stop being so damn negative.
Well said.

[_Chris_]

Well said.

I find it so fuckig amusing how you just come on, try be all stealthy and not post much, every once in a while post something, if youre gonna come back, come back, if not, dont. this is meant in the nicest way pssible of course

[Chris]

http://207.201.194.214/images/got_haggis.JPG
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[wakeboardnmoto]

http://207.201.194.214/images/got_haggis.JPG
:+

fuck no i dont got haggis and i never will :P

[Gaz-DanaWalker]

Fucking Haggis:r:r:r:r:r:r:r:r:r
Haggis is classic!!!:D

haggis is good eatin
Well said!!!_o_

fuck no i dont got haggis and i never will :POhh you should.;)

I'v had haggis quite a lot recently. Its been spot on each time. The best was a roll and slice(square sausage), tattie scone, fried egg and haggis. Ohh!!! i want it now!!!

I should have called his thread "Damn Terrorists!!! Ya Haggis munchin toss pots!!!".

I support the haggis in the war. Run free ya haggis!!!
http://www.flowerdust.net/images/haggis_sm.jpg
This is a cartoon style drawing of a haggis. they are very rare nowadays. an actual real life pic can be found at the link below.

Save the haggis!!! (http://www.wallydug.demon.co.uk/haggis/leaflet.html)