F.E.A.R.

[trj156]

i have been waiting for someone to say something about FEAR for a long time...a while ago i was at circuit city and played the game on one of their computers for about an hour. it was like half life mixed with silent hill, pretty crazy stuff. hopefully they do this port the RIGHT way (cod2) not the wrong way (*cough*quake 4 framerate*cough*) quake 4 is a good game, minus the graphical difficulties. anyway, i would really like to see, as TRIGGER M4N said on the news page, an online co-op mode. that would really make this game great. and some lag-free multiplayer from release, please.

[Messiah]

I played this game for pc, only i couldn't get the maximum graphics quality. SO i hope it will be great on xbox 360

[TRIGGER M4N]

as TRIGGER M4N said on the news page, an online co-op mode. that would really make this game great. and some lag-free multiplayer from release, please.

Yeah, I thought of that because Condemned had the best one player experience at launch, but no multi-player option. I realized that Monolith was the Developer for Condemned and F.E.A.R, so I thought 'They should implement my idea into F.E.A.R.'

I have no idea if the PC version has any multi-player at all, but it was just a wish-full thought that I hope will come true.

[Rival24]

The port shouldn't be too hard for Monolith, but they should take the time to finetune the engine since Condemned had it's ocasional slowdowns. That was not a very big deal because there's not much 'gun-combat' in Condemned, only melee. I'm also curious about what kind of achievements they will put in. :)

[TRIGGER M4N]

I'm also curious about what kind of achievements they will put in. :)


I imagine complete game under easy/medium/hard settings will be in there, and level ones like King Kong had...

RECON - 50

You infiltrated the first level

To name but a few.

[trj156]

Yeah, I thought of that because Condemned had the best one player experience at launch, but no multi-player option. I realized that Monilith was the Developer for Condemned and F.E.A.R, so I thought 'They should implement my idea into F.E.A.R.'

I have no idea if the PC version has any multi-player at all, but it was just a wish-full thought that I hope will come true.
if i remember correctly the pc version had mp but it was very lackluster, thats why i'm hoping for co-op too.

[trj156]

oops...from gamespot:
" When you're done with the single-player, you can tackle the generally excellent multiplayer game. "

[TRIGGER M4N]

I was asking round today about F.E.A.R, many people seem to agree it is better than Condemned.

oops...from gamespot:
" When you're done with the single-player, you can tackle the generally excellent multiplayer game. "

Many people Agreed it has a very good multiplayer, it even has the slow-motion (Bullet time) option.

[Curry]

I was asking round today about F.E.A.R, many people seem to agree it is better than Condemned.
In my experience most people saying that dislike the melee combat in Condemned, while that is the whole idea behind the game. Shooter fans simply shouldn't get Condemned :)

[prplaya4life]

Its very very good this game is coming to 360, I will be reserving this game ASAP!!!
also check out this fan site of mine, not really much, but check it out!!!

http://www.freewebs.com/xbox360universe

[Chris]

^ ^

Looks like self promoting to me.

[Curry]

Well it's promoting Xboxic :+

But indeed, do keep it ontopic on the forums as well and stick to the simple rules (http://wiki.xboxic.com/Xboxic:Rules) please :)

[prplaya4life]

Sry man, just trying to do my own thing, I changed your site link on my site bigger and better than the other links, lol

[Chris]

Well it's promoting Xboxic :+


So can we promote our own sites as long as there's an xboxic link in them somewhere?

[trj156]

So can we promote our own sites as long as there's an xboxic link in them somewhere?
yes heres mine www.thisismywebsitethatgets2hitsamonthandinsidethe reisalinktoxboxic.com

edit: holy crap he even has a link to ebaums world....ewwwww

[trj156]

anyway to get back on topic, i'm hoping it will be a straight port from the pc, not like far cry....i want extremely precise, smooth controls. like cod2.(i think i talk about that game every day.) and since none of you play cod anymore when fear comes out and if its good i can finally play you guys.

[TRIGGER M4N]

Anyone else got that feeling where they release the information that they are making the port, but then never actually tell us what is going on or what changes they've might of made to the game etc, etc...

Really hope this is at E3.

[Curry]

So can we promote our own sites as long as there's an xboxic link in them somewhere? No, I was just hinting that as long as the forums aren't too big I'm not going to be too much of a nuisance about the odd bit of selfpromotion from people otherwise active in the community. But to all: please use the signature and the homepage-field of your profile, they're meant to share things with the rest of the users about yourself :)

Cool homepage btw trj156 :D

[prplaya4life]

yes heres mine www.thisismywebsitethatgets2hitsamonthandinsidethe reisalinktoxboxic.com

edit: holy crap he even has a link to ebaums world....ewwwww

Yeah, whatever trj

[trj156]

i have the fear demo, it has about the same framerate as condemned, but somewhat plain looking textures, and the controls need some fine tuning. but, it's pretty scary with that damn little girl, and the slo-mo is very cool.

my favorite part of the demo was i walked into a room, and in front was a glass plate window looking into a control panel type room. i shot out the glass, put it in slomo, tossed in 2 grenades, and ducked behind a wall. wiped out all 3 guys inside. fun fun fun.

[TRIGGER M4N]

Any sign of a demo on Marketplace? I know it's ment to be OXM only, but...

[Nino]

I played this in Leipzig (:*)) and it was pretty ok. The framerate was good but it lacked the amount of particles in the PC version. Don't know about gameplay, didn't play it that long.

[Chris]

Do you think it lacked because the Xbox 360's hardware isn't good enough?

[TRIGGER M4N]

Do you think it lacked because the Xbox 360's hardware isn't good enough?

Or they have not finished porting it yet?

I'm no PC mumbo-jumbo techno wizkid, but I think the 360 is quite capable of running F.E.A.R. I get my theory from the fact Condemned ran really well on Xbox 360.

[Chris]

I just don't understand. If the 360 is good enough, it should look as good or better. No exceptions. Why does it seem like we always get jipped in the ports? I can understand why for the original Xbox. But not now.

If you're going to port it over, then do it. No half-ass jobs.

[Cage]

The problem is that a PC is totally different then a console (360). To get te best out of the console they'd have to build the game from scratch and optimize it to use the machines full power. With a port this is simply not possible. The difference in how the 2 opperate is too big to do a clean and dirty port. Even if they optimize the code it would still not use the full potential of the console. That's why such a port can never compete with Gears for example.. Too bad actually..:(

[TRIGGER M4N]

The problem is that a PC is totally different then a console (360). To get te best out of the console they'd have to build the game from scratch and optimize it to use the machines full power. With a port this is simply not possible. The difference in how the 2 opperate is too big to do a clean and dirty port. Even if they optimize the code it would still not use the full potential of the console. That's why such a port can never compete with Gears for example.. Too bad actually..:(

XNA anyone?

[trj156]

Do you think it lacked because the Xbox 360's hardware isn't good enough?
no way...it is very obvious it is an early build or the developers are just lazy. by the time this game is finished, it should run at least a rock solid 30 fps (bare minimum) or it'll be obvious that monolith is a bunch of slackers.

[Rival24]

XNA anyone?

The game wasn't developed with XNA in mind.

[Nino]

Do you think it lacked because the Xbox 360's hardware isn't good enough?

I think it was because it was a crappy port and I heard that FEAR isn't the most efficient of engines.

[Rival24]

Efficient in the sense of what?

[Nino]

In terms of how much resources (CPU/GPU/MEM) it draws for what it displays on screen.

[Rival24]

In terms of how much resources (CPU/GPU/MEM) it draws for what it displays on screen.
It's quite impressive on the PC, and Condemend looked quite nice as well (also on the X360). You'll need to have a pretty heavy duty PC, but you'll get gorgeous graphics in return. But cutting back on all the fancy effects on the Xbox 360 is just a big mistake, that was pretty much a big selling point (for me at least).

[Chris]

So they cut back and make it stupid because they're lazy or something?

[Nino]

Probably lazy yeah, Stranglehold completly blows it away in terms of particles and effects. FEAR didn't look that bad btw, it's just not as impressive as on a high-end PC.

[Rival24]

So they cut back and make it stupid because they're lazy or something?
Yeah they're lazy in the sense that they don't want to spend much time (and money) optimizing it probably.

[trj156]

Yeah they're lazy in the sense that they don't want to spend much time (and money) optimizing it probably.

if they dont want to spend time and money optimizing it, i'm not going to spend time or money playing it.

[Rival24]

We only played the demo so perhaps they're still working on that sort of stuff.

[Chris]

The FEAR demo is in this month's (usa at least) OXM.

[Rival24]

The FEAR demo is in this month's (usa at least) OXM.
I know, but demos get released premature sometimes.

Full Auto, Test Drive: Unlimited, King Kong etc..

[trj156]

I know, but demos get released premature sometimes.

Full Auto, Test Drive: Unlimited, King Kong etc..

i hope it comes to marketplace soon, i really want to hear everyone else's opinions on it. i have very mixed feelings about it right now.

[Curry]

I just don't understand. If the 360 is good enough, it should look as good or better. No exceptions. Why does it seem like we always get jipped in the ports? I can understand why for the original Xbox. But not now.

If you're going to port it over, then do it. No half-ass jobs.
It's just easier to make money by doing a half-ass port.

Look at it this way: a game engine needs for example 10 operations to draw a specific effect. Along comes the l33t new 360 that requires only 3 operations for the same effect because it has supadupa powers that allows it to combine them. Rewriting the engine to take advantage of that would more or less mean rewriting from scratch, so the publisher looks at his wallet and says it's either no game or a half-ass port with the engine that could've been 3 times more efficient.

That's the way things go :)

[Chris]

well, that sucks.

They did half life 2 on the xbox right.

(as right as they could.)

[Curry]

Well Valve didn't have much choice on that: the regular game engine had troubles running 800x600 on my old 1.6Ghz Centrino laptop with Quadro GFX card, so just imagine how it would've run on a clean port on a Pentium-3 733 with GeForce 2... they had to do a fundamental good port. The Xbox was underpowered so they were forced to retune the engine, the 360 is overpowered so they can get away with a half-ass effort. Regrettably indeed.

[Chris]

:P

[Zerodisorder]

Well the half life 2 port on xbox wasn't bad, I wish they didn't strip alot of the things like MP, I hope the 360 version resembles more like the pc.

[TRIGGER M4N]

To put a big silence to all whiners...

He discusses its migration from high-end PC's to the Xbox 360, the exclusive new level featured on the console version of the game as well as stating that this version is "even more beautiful" than its PC counterpart!

http://www.oxm.co.uk/articles/news/1st_person/gc_f.e.a.r_interview

[Nino]

Surely he wasn't talking about the particle effects.

[kidkit]

Well.. I just got a new computer, looks like I have no reason to wait for the 360 version, I doubt enough people on my friends list will own it for Multiplayer anyways. I assume we'll be playing GeOW anyways :]

thanks for the rants gents.

[TRIGGER M4N]

Well.. I just got a new computer, looks like I have no reason to wait for the 360 version, I doubt enough people on my friends list will own it for Multiplayer anyways. I assume we'll be playing GeOW anyways :]

thanks for the rants gents.

Traitor and good riddance.

[trj156]

To put a big silence to all whiners...



http://www.oxm.co.uk/articles/news/1st_person/gc_f.e.a.r_interview

well, that demo is pretty ugly compared to a nice pc.

[Zerodisorder]

So what the verdict, it looks bad, plays bad, looks good, plays good?

[trj156]

So what the verdict, it looks bad, plays bad, looks good, plays good?

looks almost passable, plays decent, demo is slightly above mediocre imo.

[Zerodisorder]

thats a shame

[TRIGGER M4N]

thats a shame

Apart from PC fanboys and the 360 haters (not implying that trj is either) people are saying it amazing. Maybe it's all about opinions?

[Chris]

I played the demo for about 15 minutes on an Xbox 360. It was pretty good, but nothing amazing in my opinion.

[trj156]

Apart from PC fanboys and the 360 haters (not implying that trj is either) people are saying it amazing. Maybe it's all about opinions?

i'm saying it has potential to be amazing. controls and a graphical overhaul should do the trick.

[Rival24]

i'm saying it has potential to be amazing. controls and a graphical overhaul should do the trick.

The latter is not gonna happen quite probably :P

[Zerodisorder]

I liked what I played of the pc one, so I hope its as good or a little better, unlike Battlefield 2, which is good in my opininion for 360, just not as good as the pc version.

[trj156]

I liked what I played of the pc one, so I hope its as good or a little better, unlike Battlefield 2, which is good in my opininion for 360, just not as good as the pc version.
im betting it'll pull a battlefield

[Curry]

Wondering why it takes them so long though to get it out if they're not rewriting the engine or anything... it could've been out months ago when it still had some novelty value.

[trj156]

Wondering why it takes them so long though to get it out if they're not rewriting the engine or anything... it could've been out months ago when it still had some novelty value.

i have no interest in buying it right away anymore.

edit: unless, of course, it turns out to be completely amazing

[TRIGGER M4N]

Extraction Point PC demo is out soon, isn't it?
Stupid fucking shitty crap-bag OXM with their fucking exclusive-ness SHIT!

[Rival24]

My guess is TGS or X06.

[TRIGGER M4N]

Demo OUT NOW. Download it bitches!

[Cage]

Damn.. I'm at work till this evening.. Tell me if it's good when you have it..

[TRIGGER M4N]

I doubt if I will be the first one to download it, as I live In Midlands, England. 1mb limit is the fastest we can get!

[Rival24]

It sucks yay! :P

[TRIGGER M4N]

Just downloaded it, and my opinion, not oo bad. Certain graphical update required. More blood please!

[Curry]

Damn.. I'm at work till this evening.. Tell me if it's good when you have it..
So you think you have it bad? My 360 arrived in Germany this morning :/

[Cage]

So you think you have it bad? My 360 arrived in Germany this morning :/
Just to rub it in.. I'm downloading right now :+
But seriously; Am I the only one with a december box that didn't need repair (yet)? I believe everyone's box died atleast ones or twice by now.. ;(

Edit: Just played it a little and it runs 400% smoother then my pc (I never played the game, but tried the PC demo when it came out), but it just reminded me that I hate little scary girls just as much as clowns in a spooky game/movie.. gave me the chills... :( I still blame IT the clown for this trauma......

[Rival24]

My Xbox is still running smooth and sexy.

And thanks for mentioning IT... That bastard gave me nightmares for 3 years.

[Chris]

My box is from November and it's fine. :+

[trj156]

this demo appears to have a smoother framerate than the oxm one...not sure though, i'd have to play the old one again. as for the content, its the same demo.

[The M.A.R.T.]

I thought many of the previews on the internet said it had a graphical update on the PC version (high end) but many people say it isn't.

How could this be. Still an early build demo and it already improved for the previews that mag writers have been seeing?

[kobejonez]

I guess I'm gonna have to download it my self to see if its any good. But the way games are shaping up for the 360 and indeed DR which is already out there, F.E.A.R is gonna have to be something special to even be a blip on the 360 landscape and if its lame it could ultimatly tarnish MONOLITH's reputation as a developer.

[Praetorian]

Oh fresh news. There is a rumour that they are going to redo the graphics for this game, as the demo we have is the E3 may demo, which is basically a port of the PC demo set to low settings.

The Final game SHOULD look better, but this is just a forum rumour so far. lets hope.

[Curry]

I believe it actually, because it's taking them far too long otherwise. The problem with FEAR is that it runs on a PC-optimized engine, which doesn't necessarily perform great on a 360. Hell, even Monolith's 360-dedicated engine from Condemned performed shit at times. If they spend those extra months on making sure games like Gears and AC present less of a leap over current games... praise them ;)

[Zerodisorder]

I thought the game didn't play bad, almost exactly liek the pc demo. The graphics weren't amazing, but touched up and it may be a good x360 game.

[trj156]

I thought the game didn't play bad, almost exactly liek the pc demo. The graphics weren't amazing, but touched up and it may be a good x360 game.

yeah, i even still play it sometimes. that one demo is better than the full version of far cry instincts, although it isnt saying much.

[CJ35]

Never played it might get the demo tonight

[Zerodisorder]

May as well try it.

[Studley]

I thought technically the 360 demo wasn't bad, the enemy soldier AI is pretty good even if they seem near impossible to kill. I was intrigued when it first came out on the PC but my gfx card is rubbish so I didn't bother... this one might just sneak on my radar yet.

[Curry]

I was disappointed bigtime by the framerate and details on the 360. I played the same demo on my laptop over a year ago and it ran better...

[Zerodisorder]

I didn't get framerate problems :?

[trj156]

I didn't get framerate problems :?

one area i know for sure is at the beginning of the demo before you go down the first ladder, when the car drives by on the other side of the fence, the framerate nosedives for a second for no apparent reason

[canoot]

I thought the demo was ok but the i found the controls a bit stiff/sluggish but with it being such an early build they have time to fix it.

[Rival24]

I thought the demo was ok but the i found the controls a bit stiff/sluggish but with it being such an early build they have time to fix it.

I had a hard time aiming as well. Not that it's difficult, but compared to COD2 it was indeed a bit stiff like you said. Especially with that ray thingie, that shoots out a large blue beam.

[Chris]

The demo was pretty good.

Wasn't too amazing, but it wasn't too bad.

[Zerodisorder]

Not amazing, but enjoyable enough. Maybe not a buy, but it all depends on all the work they do on it till it's released.

[Curry]

Somehow I expect the game will sell shit. Bring on Condemned II! _o_

[Chris]

Did you actually ever hear anything on it?

please say yes

[Zerodisorder]

Somehow I expect the game will sell shit. Bring on Condemned II! _o_
After playing the 1st one a little while ago, hell yea. :D

[Curry]

Did you actually ever hear anything on it?
Nothing official, but many people take the first game's ending as a "bring on the sequel" ;)

[TRIGGER M4N]

It would be in Sega's best interest to do so, as I will surely pick it up, without hesitation. FEAR? - It's a no-no from TRIGG4.

[Chris]

I don't think it's such an easy no. Is it the best game in the world?

Hell no, but it is somewhat fun.

[Zerodisorder]

Yea, I think its fun, but if it came between FEAR and Condemned 2, what a very easy decision it would be.