PS3

[Chris]

http://files.xboxic.com/ps3/thumbs/ps3-nlow.jpg

http://www.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/Sony_logo.gif

I realize we've got threads 'sort of' dedicated to PS3, but this is a thread for Anything PS3. It doesn't have to be about the OS, or Blu-Ray or anything specific.

Try and keep it unfanboyish. ;)

[Chris]

From an LA Times article (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-sony10jul10,1,2184518.story?ctrack=1&cset=true):
Sony Corp. has patented technology that would prevent its PlayStation consoles from playing used, rented or borrowed video games — raising questions about whether the electronics and entertainment giant may attempt to redefine what it means to own something in the digital age.

Sony has said little about the technology, patented in Japan in 2000, or how it might be deployed. But speculation over Sony's plans has sparked a furor online as game fans and consumer advocates fret that the company may incorporate it into the upcoming PlayStation 3 console, due to hit stores this fall.

[Rival24]

I thought that was a hoax, at least some Sony d00d denied it.

[The M.A.R.T.]

http://files.xboxic.com/ps3/thumbs/ps3-nlow.jpg

http://www.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/Sony_logo.gif

I realize we've got threads 'sort of' dedicated to PS3, but this is a thread for Anything PS3. It doesn't have to be about the OS, or Blu-Ray or anything specific.

Try and keep it unfanboyish. ;)

Well actually this is a XBOX 360 site. So I guess we may do some real and some fanboy posts right? I have some really nice links about a dev saying interesting stuff about the PSZero. Actually what we all already knew, but still. The man that has it's hands on Quake Wars and if I read in between the lines that one will come to 360 also!

http://www.g4tv.com/pile_player.aspx?video_key=11274

A nice Sony fanboy caller @ the radio ;)

http://web.utk.edu/~ascott9/SonyFanboy.mp3

All PS64 lies together:
http://wikihost.org/wikis/ukres/programm/gebo.prg?name=sonyps3_lies

And don't forget about the bad yields, 10 to 20% succes on Cell CPU...

And then all the news about BetaBluRay having less quality then HD-DVD, including the thing that HD-DVD got a software update also to play 1080p.
Combined with Sony having almost 600 million dollar loss each quarter of the year (also first quarter 2005) and just took a multimillion dollar loan...

It all doesn't look very bright for Sony and the PS3. If you ask me, even a giant like this can go bankrupt for sure with this big bet called the PS3!

[Curry]

I agree with Chris on keeping this thread as pure as possible :) Good and bad news alrighty, but try to keep the fanboy stuff in the slowchat topic or something :)

As for the rental and 2nd hand protection: the technology is patented but Sony has quite explicitly denied using it. Would be nearly impossible too, since they'd have to fit every PS3 with actual Blu-ray writing capabilities at monstrous cost. All in all, highly unlikely up to the point of impossible.

[TRIGGER M4N]

On the Blu-ray front, has anyone heard of a technlogy called HVD(Holographic Versatile Disc.)

These discs have the capacity to hold up to 3.9 terabytes (TB) of information, which is approximately 6,000 times the capacity of a CD-ROM, 830 times the capacity of a DVD, 160 times the capacity of single-layer Blu-ray Discs, and about 8 times the capacity of standard computer hard drives with space that accounts for year 2006 standards. The HVD also has a transfer rate of 1 gigabyte/s. Optware is expected to release a 200 GB disc in early June of 2006, and Maxell in September 2006 with a capacity of 300 GB and transfer rate of 20 MB/sec


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

[Curry]

Yeah there are actually sources that think the market may skill HD-DVD and Blu-ray altogether and just head for the holo discs straight away :)

[Cage]

On the Blu-ray front, has anyone heard of a technlogy called HVD(Holographic Versatile Disc.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc
I think I'll pass for now.. A qoute from the same wikipedia page.
With such a high end storage capacity, it would seem like a better technology than either HD DVD or Blu-Ray Disc. However, the reader currently costs approximately US$15,000, and a single disc currently costs approximately US$120, and by 2010, will cost about US$100. The market for this format is currently not the common consumer, but is instead for those with very large storage needs. . :o

[TRIGGER M4N]

Like everything, technology prices will drop.

[TRIGGER M4N]

Is the PS3 completely region free?

[Cage]

Yes, it's region free according to this article with leaked info.
Some quotes below and read the full article here. http://www.megagames.com/news/html/console/leakedps3qnadocument.shtml
Oh, and did I mention that PS3 is a Computer system? :P

Playstation 3 / E3 2006 QA

- PS3 is a computer system
- PS3 is one product with different configuration
- PS3 launch date : Nov 11 (Japan), Nov 17 (US/Europe)
- PS3 price : 20GB : JPY 59,800, USD499, EUR499 (incl. VAT) / 60GB : JPY Open, USD599, EUR599 (incl. VAT)

Are all titles shown at E3 (press conference and booth) launch titles?
Many of the playable titles shown at E3 are likely to be released at or around launch. Some titles shown as (demo) video may also become launch titles.

Do all titles shown at E3 support 1080p?
"Gran Turismo HD E3 2006" is demonstrated at 1080p with frame rate of 60 frames per second. As for other titles, some are 1080p and some 720p.

How many launch titles do you expect to have?
We expect the best launch line-up in history.

Why did you change the design of the controller to that of PS and PS2?
We received many feedback after E3 last year and created the PS3 controller by refining and improving the world's most popular Playstation controller that shipped more than several hundred million units worldwide, while inheriting its basic concept and design.

MS's Xbox360 was launched a year ago and has a head start. How do you feel about it?
We have set the best launch timing for PS3.

How is the PS3 network service going to be ? Will you also start the service from day one ? What are the differences between Xbox Live and PS3 network services?
Apart from providing basic features and functions, the most important element is content and services. Downloading music in SingStar, purchasing or exchanging game data as we demonstrated at E3 press conference and many other new ways of enjoyment will be provided.

Will the network service be charged?
Basic services available free for current PCs will be free of charge but content and specific services will be charged from the beginning.

Are the specifications and design final?
Very close to final.

[Curry]

Expectations are though that "our console is region-free" is a metaphor for "our console does not enforce region-locking, but developers can implement it as they see fit". Which would be exactly identical to the Xbox 360.

[Chris]

Read this article (http://www.nextechnews.com/PermaLink,guid,fea3f997-d078-4e56-945e-dded69598dae.aspx).
Apparently the PS3 Cell processor is so big and complicated, they're having a hard time making enough to satisfy the demand. An IBM Semiconductor VP says they're "lucky to get 10 or 20 percent" out of a chip like the Cell. The other 80-90 percent aren't fit to be used in PS3s, meaning they either get used in another application or thrown away if they can't be. (Gizmodo)

Ok so now we have the cell processor one of those "new things that sony is taking a risk on" having horrible production runs... 10-20% is going to REALLY eat into sony, if they are only able to use 1 in 10 or 1 in 5 of the produced chips that means 4 of those chips atleast are scrap silicone and wasted cash... THIS IS NOT GOOD, especially considering that sony is taking at minimum 400$ on each ps3 console.

[Chris]

Is Sony's PlayStation 3 in trouble before it even launches? Sony has been the undisputed champion of the last two console generations, towering over the competition, but now it seems like every analyst, developer and industry pundit is placing a laser sight directly on Sony's forehead.

The biggest problem would appear to be the pricing for the system. Even the lower priced $500 SKU is expensive, and $600 seems ridiculous to most. Ever since Sony revealed this pricing strategy at this year's E3, the company has been put on the defensive, arguing that it's a "computer" and that with the inclusion of a high-def Blu-ray player it's really a "bargain."
Link. (http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=13291&rp=49)

[Curry]

If it doesn't run Visual Studio, MS Office, Dreamweaver, MySQL, SQL Server, IIS, ASP.NET, Apache and PHP it's not a computer since I'll still be needing a real computer, and thus it's an overly expensive game console.

[Sir SpankalotUK]

dont see how they can catagorise it as a computer, we know its going to have linux on it and a web browser, but surely if you can make changes to the software people will be playing freely available linux games rather than the blu-ray games. If it is a computer that you can adjust the software on, arent sony going to make an even bigger loss cos people will be using it solely as a computer and not a games machine. Blurred lines me thinks. Reckon the OS will be read only with limits on what can be saved to the flash memory or hd.

Also have you lot listened to the latest major nelson podcast about hd-dvd vs blu-ray, some rather shocking revelations in it, made me think instantly hd-dvd is where I am going.

[TRIGGER M4N]

dont see how they can catagorise it as a computer,

It's the usual Sony bullshit. They're hitting 2 birds with one stone.

1) Saying it's a computer will remove Sony paying taxes whilst importing to Europe/United Kingdom. I think I recently heard that the courts denied it was a computer. they pulled the same shit with the PS2 and failed.

2) Advertising it as a computer, will make it sound bigger and better than the other "consoles."

[kidkit]

....but surely if you can make changes to the software people will be playing freely available linux games rather than the blu-ray games...

Hehe, have you ever tried one of those Linux games? Most are awful, people will stick to the native ps3 games.

The (only) good news about it being a so called computer is it can be a true Media Centre to stream content to your home theatre (without needing a certain OS and propriatery codecs), PVR etc... and totally customizable. But only if the development community finds it interesting to make.

Realistically though most of us, if we don't have Windows Media Centre now, will be running Windows Vista in next 2 or 3 years. So streaming video to 360 will be more accessable to more people. Especially with the help of such programs as Transcode360.

[kobejonez]

sony are doomed, and are very likely to come 3rd in now current gen race.
but they might pull it off with a decent release or 12 in the 1st year.
i know sommat tho if I was investing in stock, M$ would be choice for the next 5 years with the 360 being the next/current gen leader and vista on PC.
futures bright.

[TRIGGER M4N]

futures bright.
..the futures orange.

[kobejonez]

..the futures orange.

Green?! surely

[Cage]

..the futures orange.
It should've been orange yeah.. Holland was supposed to win the World Cup.. :'(

[Curry]

sony are doomed, and are very likely to come 3rd in now current gen race.
but they might pull it off with a decent release or 12 in the 1st year.
i know sommat tho if I was investing in stock, M$ would be choice for the next 5 years with the 360 being the next/current gen leader and vista on PC.
futures bright. Well Sony's still got momentum from hell ofcourse with 100 million PS2 owners aching for some next-gen stuff finally. MS hasn't sold 100 million 360's yet, and it's safe to assume a lot of PS2 diehards will just blindly upgrade to the PS3 :)

How did our pal Kaz put it? "If we put the PS3 logo on an empty box without games we'll still sell 10 million" or something. Regrettably, man has a point.

[YLA G]

i think that MS first have to work more on the europese market in stead of focusing on china/japan.

In belgium for example you see one little row on the badest place for the few games in a shop.. if i did know better i just buyed a Playstation to.

[Hoffer]

I can see buying a PS3, but not until it costs at least half as much. I want the $600 system, but no way I'm paying that. I figure within the first year, that price will come down $200.

[Chris]

The first year?
Fat chance, unless the PS3 fails miserably.

[Nineset]

Well Sony's still got momentum from hell ofcourse with 100 million PS2 owners aching for some next-gen stuff finally. MS hasn't sold 100 million 360's yet, and it's safe to assume a lot of PS2 diehards will just blindly upgrade to the PS3 :)

How did our pal Kaz put it? "If we put the PS3 logo on an empty box without games we'll still sell 10 million" or something. Regrettably, man has a point.

You're totally right and so is Kaz Hirari...but it still makes me ill to my stomach... most of the people I know are so hyped up over the PS3 being the greatest system of all time that they don't even bother to consider the 360... it's a total shame too becuase of how fun the 360 is... I've played this system and had more fun playing it than I ever have since the NES. I've told a few friends who were die hard on getting the PS3 the cost a few months back and all of them nearly shit a brick... even so they're still waiting to see how great it is or saying that it doesn't matter because PS3 has game "x". It makes me think that the ps3 will do better than all of the analysts say, but at the same time it makes me frustrated in the blind following PS3 has...Especially when the 360 is capable, fun, and already here.

[Chris]

Sony's hardcore fans will be the early adopters and they'll all realize that they wasted $600 so the rest of us can get on with our Wii little lives.

[Zerodisorder]

I just wish Kaz didn't lie to us..that's the kind of thing I expected from microsoft (the thompson xbox dvd drive is fine) lol ...but to my surprise microsoft has been the most truthful of the two.

[TRIGGER M4N]

Kaz aint the only lying S.O.B.

Bill Harris over at Dubious Quality poses Phil Harrison an excellent question: why the hell should anyone believe what he and Sony says about the PS3's capabilities when they're being out-and-out caught in lies now?

Phil on the number of Blu-ray movies:
We have shown more playable games than ever before, so the signs are good, and right now there are more than 100 Blu-ray movies available today, in the US. More than 100 games are in development, and all the major third-party publishers have pledged their strategic support for the platform.

Bill's reply:
Well, that sounds pretty good. I didn't even know that a hundred movies were available on Blu-Ray right now.
Oh, wait--I didn't know it because it's bullshit. It's only true in Sony Fantasy Land, where $600 for a game machine is a bargain and all ponies go to heaven.

In fact, right now, there are only twenty four Blu-Ray movies available. When the console launches, there will only be a little more than fifty available.


Whoops...

[Nino]

I'm not doing the whole Sony bashing thing anymore, did anyone notice?

[Chris]

I noticed, bad Nino!

[The M.A.R.T.]

I guess after being raped by Sony over the PS2 with great online functionality and so many TFLOPS and the DVD drive that stopped working, the same things they're telling about the PS3 again. Great online experience, high peakpower/TFLOPS...

For real. I just get the idea that Sony stands for: overpromising & underdelivering

[Zerodisorder]

I'm not doing the whole Sony bashing thing anymore, did anyone notice?
Good job :D

[Rival24]

'Bashing' Sony is silly, but that GIANT ENEMY CRAAAAB remains funny :P

[Curry]

And that Blu-Ray movie count screwup is exemplary of why press needs to remain on their toes on catching marketing bullcrap.

Not the first outright lie too. Anyone remember "2 HDMI outputs for dual 1080p gaming"? I'm not into bashing Sony either, but they have to watch their ass with telling marketing lies that are too easily proven wrong.

[Cage]

Here's a nice comercial about PS3 vs Wii.. I've made my choice..:9~ _o_
http://www.totallycrap.com/videos/the_ps3_vs_wii/NL

[Zerodisorder]

Yep, made my choice too, I might just get two Wii's :P

[Chris]

By Tor Thorsen, GameSpot
Posted Aug 18, 2006 1:07 pm PT

GameSpot: So is the PS3 already being manufactured?

Kaz Hirai: We haven't started manufacturing yet. Some of our ops guys were actually just in China, and also in Japan just reviewing the [production] lines and everything else. But they are, again, preparing as we speak to get the manufacturing going. We've not announced and we haven't set really a specific date to say, "As of this day we're going to start manufacturing."

lol. (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6156046.html?tag=latestnews;title;0)

[Curry]

Dude less than 3 months for manufacturing and global logistics? :X

[Chris]

They don't even have a date when they'll start yet! :X Although, I'm not sure how many months in advance Microsoft started making Xbox 360's before November '05.

'HUGE SONY ANNOUNCEMENT TOMORROW (http://news.spong.com/article/10614?cb=915)'
SPOnG caught up earlier this week with the good people of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe for a quick chat about all things PlayStation and we are pleased to let you know that the frustrating post-E3 wait for proper information on our PlayStation future is just about to end, with the first in a series of major announcements being made this coming Monday from Leipzig.

We can assure you that this first unveiling will, shall we say, be something you are very unlikely to have foreseen, coming from way out of leftfield. Suffice to say it brought a smile to our face as we think it will do yours. Check in here first thing on Monday when we’ll be able to disclose the full details of this announcement, as well as picking up the first tasty news droppings from all the other publishers at Leipzig.

It would also seem that Sony has seriously taken on board the many criticisms targeted at the company following a poorly received E3 PlayStation 3 showing and done what it does best – gone into lockdown mode whilst its development and marketing teams get on with the serious, hard work of ensuring that both the PS3’s technical offering and the marketing message are both spot on for the looming 17th November launch.
Cheaper SKU's? An exclusive? A rumble feature back in the controller?

I've also been hearing that Spong isn't the most reliable source, but who knows.

[TRIGGER M4N]

Tommorow is Sunday, that article says Monday.. Someone should be fired.

[Chris]

Shut up.8)7

I got my days confused.

[The M.A.R.T.]

They don't even have a date when they'll start yet! :X Although, I'm not sure how many months in advance Microsoft started making Xbox 360's before November '05.

'HUGE SONY ANNOUNCEMENT TOMORROW (http://news.spong.com/article/10614?cb=915)'

Cheaper SKU's? An exclusive? A rumble feature back in the controller?

I've also been hearing that Spong isn't the most reliable source, but who knows.

As far as I've read, MS started to produce the 360 also in the month of August, in 2005 that is. I thought it was in the beginning of the month when they got out the final first batch. We're already about at the end of August and no final PS3 kits are produced. We saw the shortages last year with 360, I expect much, much larger problems with the PS3. Not to speak about the DOA systems, because of SPE's that broke down, bad yield on CPU, problems with the laser of the BR and much, much more sh!t because of the hardware

[Curry]

And don't forget Sony wants twice as much units available at launch as well.

[The M.A.R.T.]

Well it's official.

The PlayStation brand has turned it's ugly head. Barbie Ken just came out for it. It's new image will be the G@ystation... Watch this... No joke, real pic's

http://stuffmag.co.uk/hotstuffarticle.asp?de_id=2234

[The_Glovner]

Well it's official.

The PlayStation brand has turned it's ugly head. Barbie Ken just came out for it. It's new image will be the G@ystation... Watch this... No joke, real pic's

http://stuffmag.co.uk/hotstuffarticle.asp?de_id=2234

Oh my word that is ugly.

[TRIGGER M4N]

That's the big announcement?

[Sir SpankalotUK]

dear lord, feel like the only straight bloke left in a very gay world.

Should I become an anti-pink terrorist? activist?

[Curry]

Well it's official.

The PlayStation brand has turned it's ugly head. Barbie Ken just came out for it. It's new image will be the G@ystation... Watch this... No joke, real pic's

http://stuffmag.co.uk/hotstuffarticle.asp?de_id=2234
Can you spell o-m-f-g?

[Cage]

Well it's official.

The PlayStation brand has turned it's ugly head. Barbie Ken just came out for it. It's new image will be the G@ystation... Watch this... No joke, real pic's

http://stuffmag.co.uk/hotstuffarticle.asp?de_id=2234

I like it. Matches my "barbie dreamhouse" perfectly.. 8)7

[Zerodisorder]

It's beautiful :P

[Chris]

Where's the damn PS3 news?

[Zerodisorder]

Why, do you want a pink PS3 :D

[Chris]

Sony to ship 4 million PS3s by year-end, even as manufacturing yet to start
(http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060822-7558.html)
8/22/2006 11:25:12 AM, by Eric Bangeman

Last week, we learned that manufacturing has yet to begin on the PS3. Despite that, and contrary to rumors that Sony plans to lower its aim on shipments, the company still plans to have 2 million PS3s available on November 11 and is sticking to its guns on the end-of-year target of 4 million consoles. In a statement, the company reiterated that it is "still on schedule to ship 2 million units for our mid-November 2006 launch and additional 2 million units by the end of the year for a total of 4 million units."

Cranking out 2 million brand-new consoles in less than three months is a daunting task, especially when manufacturing has not started. This particular bit of news seems to lend credence to whispers we've been hearing about production problems with the PS3.

The math isn't good either: those 2 million PS3s are going to be spread across three regions. Even if North America and Japan get higher allocations than Europe, that is still significantly fewer than 1 million consoles in each market.

This latest bit of news doesn't do much to encourage hopes for a smooth launch for the PS3. What is more likely are scenes reminiscent of the Xbox 360 launch, where consumers form long lines in hopes of getting one of the machines in stock. The problem Sony is going to face is that unlike Microsoft, which had no significant competition for the Xbox 360 launch, those trying to find PS3s may be tempted by the 360 and Nintendo Wii, which will likely be available by that time. For some, the decision will be between hunting for a scarce $500-600 console or buying one of the cheaper, next-gen consoles that will be widely available.

[tailwagger]

It doesn't matter, and shouldn't matter, which console is best. In this kind of competition, with rival firms competing to produce the best technology, the consumer ultmately wins because it raises everyone's game. You don't have to be a fan boy for one or the other. I used to have a SNES and megadrive, PS2 and an xbox and a gamecube. No doubt i'll get a ps3 and a Wii too. Enjoy the best of all worlds. I buy systems to play particular games i like... not because it "plays games" or "is the best" - ultimately it's the GAME that will decide the next gen battle.

[The_Glovner]

And how is a £450 console good for the consumer?

If you buy a PS3 at it's release price then you are imho a mug.

[Cage]

Speaking of pink consoles..
http://www.gametoday.nl/images/article/48740021/Nintendo_DS_Lite_P_1633501c.jpg

Guess now we wait for the pink 360 8)7

[Sir SpankalotUK]

with barbie horse adventures bundled with it, just stick a 360 logo on the box, they wont notice the difference.

[Zerodisorder]

That sounds like a sweet deal :)

[huricanelane]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5287254.stm

"The spare processing power of Sony's PlayStation 3 (PS3) will be harnessed by scientists trying to understand the cause of diseases like Alzheimer's."

[Emily]

Speaking of pink consoles..
http://www.gametoday.nl/images/article/48740021/Nintendo_DS_Lite_P_1633501c.jpg

Guess now we wait for the pink 360 8)7

Omg i want that.

with barbie horse adventures bundled with it, just stick a 360 logo on the box, they wont notice the difference.

Count me in for that deal! :o

[| V |]

I would have sex with a man for MGS4 right now, and thats the ONLY reason i will ever be getting a Playstation 3.

Also that pink PS2 is amazing.

[Rival24]

I would have sex with Jun Takeuchi for Resident Evil 5. Wait.. I've already had some sort of sex with him. Nino has too, he touched his ass.

[| V |]

Yeah RE5 is another game i am totally looking forward too (huge RE fan i be) but i can get it on the 360 when it comes out ;)

[Chris]

If you only have one game that you want to play on a console, go RENT the console when it launches.

[The M.A.R.T.]

Omg i want that.



Count me in for that deal! :o


If you want choice, you could also get the PSP in that bright colour...

http://www.zcover.com/store/catalog/images/SP100NPK_0.jpg

But while you OMG want it, I OMG don't want it and my eyes OMG hurt of the freaking thing.

[| V |]

Yeah rent the console...........but then i somehow have to get MGS4 which ISNT a launch title, plus i would sure like to own MGS4 so i could play it when i wanted....not within rental times, or paying more in the long run. So im going to wait, suprisingly, for MGS4 to come out and then purchase it months after because i know im gonna have to save ;)

[The_Glovner]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5287254.stm

"The spare processing power of Sony's PlayStation 3 (PS3) will be harnessed by scientists trying to understand the cause of diseases like Alzheimer's."


8)7

Eh? That has to be the craziest marketing bullshit so far from sony.

So I am to understand that progress into cures for Alzheimer's had hit a dead end until some of the worlds greatest minds got wind of the fact the Sony was making a Games Console/Media Centre/Blu-Ray Player/Super Computer/Advanced Biological DNA Mapping tool.

Sony doesn't even know what the fuck they are building so how does anyone else?

8)7

[Emily]

If you want choice, you could also get the PSP in that bright colour...

But while you OMG want it, I OMG don't want it and my eyes OMG hurt of the freaking thing.

The PSP is a more hot pink, i think i'm liking that better. Though Barbie pink is pretty sexy...decisions decisions :?

[The M.A.R.T.]

The PSP is a more hot pink, i think i'm liking that better. Though Barbie pink is pretty sexy...decisions decisions :?

Just get the white PSP that'll suit you more. It has class and it's more special then the black one

You really don't want to have to put up your sunglasses every time you want to play on your handheld...

[Nino]

I think my black PSP is classier than the white ones. I had the choice but I went with black.

[The M.A.R.T.]

I think my black PSP is classier than the white ones. I had the choice but I went with black.

Anything better then PINK ;)

But well. Black, it was hot for TV's last century. Then we got silver and now there are some TV's in black again. The most hot things at this moment are white though. Like the Mac design or Ipod and more.

Ah it's just the taste I guess. And I've just read the new FW 2.0 to 2.8 have been able to run homebrew stuff. I guess I'll have to get me one soon :)

[Zerodisorder]

Yeah rent the console...........but then i somehow have to get MGS4 which ISNT a launch title, plus i would sure like to own MGS4 so i could play it when i wanted....not within rental times, or paying more in the long run. So im going to wait, suprisingly, for MGS4 to come out and then purchase it months after because i know im gonna have to save ;)
So your going to pay 600$ plus maybe between 70 - 80$ for one game. I would move on and embrace Gears of War or some other games lol.

[| V |]

I think Gears of War isnt going to be that good but im not writing in this topic to dicuss that. No i am not gonna pay the price for a brand new console. MGS4 isnt a launch title so i can wait and by the time it is out there will be a bunch of second hand consoles around in places like Ebay aswell. My choice is my choice and that is final tbh. It could change but i dont see it happening

[Zerodisorder]

lol no im not ranting saying your dumb for doing it or anything, if anything im saying your dedicated lol. If i saw a Beyong Good and Evil 2 on ps3 I'd buy it, or something I felt I need..and yes you can make fun because I loved Beyond Good and Evil lol.

[Emily]

Just get the white PSP that'll suit you more. It has class and it's more special then the black one

You really don't want to have to put up your sunglasses every time you want to play on your handheld...

I like pink :D

[Chris]

10% GPU loss on the PS3? (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33995)
IT LOOKS LIKE the PS3 is way too powerful for us mere humans, and because the value is so overwhelming, Sony is going to make it a little more palatable. The RSX, previously scheduled to run at 550/700 core/memory has been realigned with expectations and the value chain at 500/650.

We can't tell you why the GPU lost nearly 10% of it's clock, it could be an NVidia screwup, or it could be Sony/Cell. Either way, it just became much less of an overwhelming value, but you get a DRM infected drive for 'free' either way.
Uh oh.

[Rival24]

10% GPU loss on the PS3? (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33995)

Uh oh.

You like doing this, don't you Chris :P How about some frikkin' good news every once in a while!

[Chris]

You like doing this, don't you Chris :P How about some frikkin' good news every once in a while!

Name a piece of good news that Sony's put out (Other than the 1.4 million notebook batteries they created that are spontaneously combusting). Those are exciting! :P

[Rival24]

Eehrm, full BC! :P

[| V |]

lol no im not ranting saying your dumb for doing it or anything, if anything im saying your dedicated lol. If i saw a Beyong Good and Evil 2 on ps3 I'd buy it, or something I felt I need..and yes you can make fun because I loved Beyond Good and Evil lol.

No need to, its a good game ;)

[Curry]

Name a piece of good news that Sony's put out (Other than the 1.4 million notebook batteries they created that are spontaneously combusting). Those are exciting! :P
I like it though, I'm getting a free replacement just as my battery is showing the first signs of laziness ;)

Meanwhile on Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/30/european-ps3-slogan-this-is-living/):
Unveiled at the Leipzig Games Convention and seemingly ignored by most, the official PS3 slogan for Europe has Sony proudly declaring, "This is living." Reeking of hyperbole and only tenuously linked to gaming, it's the sort of marketing that fits in quite snugly with an industry asking us to "jump in" (with your credit card details) and assuring us that playing is the equivalent of believing (the praise or the criticism?). Of course, as with the other snappy lines, it's only a matter of time before witty internet personalities pervert Sony's message into something scathing and occasionally amusing.

"This is living. So, it's true. The cost of living really has gone up."
"This is living ... in abject poverty!"
"This is living -- it really does have four dimensions!"
"The PS3 is living? Well, at least that's a few steps up from the thinking Dreamcast."
"This is living (now attack its weakpoint for massive damage)." Nyuk nyuk. Be sure to make your own as you watch Kikizo (http://games.kikizo.com/news/200608/143.asp)'s embedded video, marveling at consoles floating in a void and imagining how much more effective "You need this to play Metal Gear Solid 4" would have been.

[Chris]

:D

[Chris]

In a recent PR-type interview on Sony's Concept Site, Gran Turismo creator Kazunori Yamauchi says the console will do "true" physics, making HD content is "on the same level as movies" and video games have "unusual potential" as they are the fastest and simplest way to produce hi-def content. Yamauchi states he wants to "change society" with his games. His most quotable quote?
=) (http://kotaku.com/gaming/playstation-3/the-ps3-is-a-weapon-198082.php)

[Chris]

Only because it's a ritual I must keep true to.
Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) today announced that it would revise the launch date of its PLAYSTATION® 3 computer entertainment system in the PAL territories of Europe, Russia, Middle East, Africa and Australasia from 17th November 2006, as previously announced to March 2007.

The revision of the launch date in the SCEE territories is caused by the delay in the mass production schedule of the blue laser diode within the Sony Group, thus affecting the timely procurement of key components to be utilised in PLAYSTATION 3.

The previously announced PLAYSTATION 3 shipment forecast of 6 million units globally within the fiscal year ending 2007 is not changed.
Source: This crazy Xbox site called Xboxic (http://www.xboxic.com/news/1563).

[Cage]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/michaelrpacheco/d1.jpg

http://thisiswaiting.com/h1.jpg

Check here (http://thisiswaiting.com/)for more fun :D

[Rival24]

:D That guy is fast with creating that page :D.

[Curry]

That site is sheer genius indeed, saw it this morning :D

[Nino]

http://thisiswaiting.com/a1.jpg

:D This was an actual ad by SEGA saying 'sorry for your shipment difficulties with the PS2 Sony' if I recall correctly.

[Chris]

http://thisiswaiting.com/j2.jpg

[Chris]

First PS3 Commercial (http://www.playsyde.com/news_3430_en.html)!

[TRIGGER M4N]

That's horrificly shyte.

[Chris]

:+

[Zerodisorder]

All they needed in that commercial was the last 30 or so seconds. When they showed the game lol

[Chris]

Actually. All xboxist aside....

I'm pleasently suprised with the commercial because Sony has finally shown footage of what the games will probably actually look like from the point that you turn your ps3 on. No more CGI movies making the parents think that they'll be buying those prerendered hopeful graphics thinking it was in-game. I applaud them on that.
I really thought it was going to be one MGS4 3 minute CGI intro movie (Or something similar.). I was wrong.

I might be completely off.
What do you guys think? Agree? Disagree? think I should die?

[Curry]

The man with the plan, Ken Kutaragi, CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment, flatly announced to Reuters today that Sony's strength in hardware production (specifically PlayStation 3) was declining.

The SCE leader, in a rare moment of honesty said, "If you asked me if Sony's strength in hardware was in decline, right now I guess I would have to say that might be true."


This news comes only a week after Sony announced a massive drop in available PlayStation 3 consoles at launch in both North America and Japan; while simultaneously announcing that Europe would be without PS3's until March 2007.


While Sony originally promised two million units at launch, the number dropped to 500,000 after Sony cited production delays regarding the Blu-ray disc player.


Sony has promised more units by the end of holiday season than Microsoft had of Xbox 360's last year. As of right now, nobody can be certain what affect this will have on the industry as a whole, but sales of software will likely continue its upward trend....

[Chris]

What do you think, Curry?

[Chris]

http://www.thisiswaiting.com/j4.jpg

[Zerodisorder]

I liked that one the most :D

[Chris]

It should say '2019 Edition'.

[Curry]

What do you think, Curry?
That Ken and Kaz are starting to fear the big corporate shareholder banhammer. And rightfully so, if you consider a PS3 without Blu-Ray could've been having 75% of the next-gen market for about a year now.

[Shaka]

I will buy a PS3 eventually its the only next gen. console that has my interest and tons of killer games for it.

[Chris]

Look at your avatar, you look like you love CGI. Blu-Ray seems perfect!

[Cage]

.... and tons of killer games for it.
Name one... except MGS... :X

[Chris]

In order for me to spend $600, you'd have to name at least 12.

[TRIGGER M4N]

That Motorstorm looks pretty nice. Real Time damage FTW!
Killzone 2 will be shit, MGS will be shit; Don't say, "But TRIGGER M4N, how do you know this?"
Since when has a sequel to a shit game ever been better?

[Chris]

loco-roco is good. :(

[Rival24]

I keep forgetting what the game's called but I think it's '7 Days'. Might as well be 5,6 or perhaps 7 days.

[Chris]

Maybe it's called '1 week'

[TRIGGER M4N]

2 days to vegas?

[Rival24]

The Sixth Day ;)

[Shaka]

xbox is pretty much nothing but FPS and nintendo is mario,zelda,metroid and now with some tweaks using a gimmick.

the PS3 is the only one that offers new frachasises for everyone the likes of Assassings Creed,Heanvenly Sword,Liar,Untold Leyends-D.K.,singstar,The Eye of Jugament ect.

[Chris]

Well, take Assassin's Creed off the list. It isn't exclusive anymore.

All of the 'Exclusives' that were mentioned at E305 are 80% gone. Most of the ones that are left are first party Sony creations.

xbox is pretty much nothing but FPS and nintendo is mario,zelda,metroid and now with some tweaks using a gimmick.

And Sony is pretty much Devil May Cry and Metal Gear.

I forgot! Sony DOES have FFXII.
http://www.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2006/09/final-fantasy-xii-20051111103839611.jpg
(Which looks amazing.)

Yeah right, 'amazing' even for a PS2 game.

[Shaka]

Sony is the only one that really cares about their costumers, they dontlet you hanging when a new system is out,something xbox and nintendo should learn.

game cube and xbox has been dead for years! what about the people who cant buy next. gen. systems and only have an xbox or game cube they are doomed.

while PS2 still kicking strong and outselling the xbox 360.

[Chris]

It is outselling the xbox 360, because it's 129.99USD. You think the PS2 is going to outsell the PS3 the first year? Shit yes it will.

Btw, Sony cares less about their customers because they're forcing Blu-ray on everyone so they can artificially force a 'win' on the HD movie era, and even then I still think it'll fail. It's pathetic.

[Rival24]

But you need BlueRay for games Chris :+ :D

[Chris]

:+

[Nino]

I love my PS2. I hope the PS3 drops in price fast, I want to play DMC4, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, Warhawk, Tekken 6, that new Insomniac game and Virtua Fighter 5 ASAP.

Untold Leyends-D.K.,singstar,The Eye of Jugament ect.

:D you're kidding right?

[TRIGGER M4N]

I like Sony fanboys, they make me giggle like a girlie!

[Nino]

No worse than any other fanboy really but bringing up Untold Legends and Singstar to advertise the PS3 isn't the smartest move ever...

[Chris]

Xbox 360 is waiting with open arms while Sony abuses you.

:+

[Sir SpankalotUK]

Being originally a sony fanboy, my mates all had ps2's, so I went and got one (fastest I ever drove back from lakeside). Started playing the usual games, GT2, GTA3 (the original), loved it, then I noticed the online beta trials sign up on the playstation home page, and promptly signed up. Thats where my love of online gaming began, socom 1 was and still is the best online shooter I have played, then zipper lost the plot big time, trying to make bigger and bigger maps, running around for 6 minutes trying to find someone then for them to sponge hits or lag kill me. Sony now owns zipper and still the crap continues from zipper, europe is still awaiting a patch. Thats before I even start on the cheaters and people deliberately lagging (yes they even invented a switch for it). The drop in people playing socom proves this time and time again. Sony only want to here about you reporting people on certain games (its a small list), the system is drawn out and faught with problems.

If you read back through the internet, about a year ago, you'll find a questionaire (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/01/18/sony-targets-xbox-live-with-questionnaire/) that was sent out to the beta trial people, asking what type of service we would like, then theres mr sony (cant think of his name of the top of my head) saying they are still going to leave the online api up to the developers (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/gta/gta-creator-not-hip-to-sonys-online-service-199251.php). PS3 online is going to be a hash, its almost unplayable now and I dont expect alot to change in the future. You might use the free argument, but everyone I know at least prefers xbox live, ok its not perfect but its a darn sight better than the ps2 offering and I'll put good money on the ps3 not bettering the service.

And to top things off europe has now been screwed with the delayed launch, thats after us getting the psp 9 months after it launching in the states and japan.

At least M$ are being open, how many of their employees openly run blogs to let the community know whats going on, I dont know of one sony employee running one. M$ are embracing the homebrew market, something sony have tried at length to murder with their dnas and psp firmware updates.

sooner or later shaka you will see the light and stop believing the paap that sony keeps shoveling. Sony treats europe as a second class citizen, and I am quite frankly fed up with it.

[Sir SpankalotUK]

PS3 price cut by 20%, now includes HDMI 1.3

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/22/ps3-price-cut-by-20-now-includes-hdmi-1-3/

[Chris]

Update: Price reduction confirmed for Japan only. Waiting on rest-of-world price cuts, if any.

:)

[kidkit]

if they don't cut the price anywhere else... we better at least get the HDMI port on the 20gig SKU.

[TRIGGER M4N]

UK don't even get the 20 gig SKU. Fuck Sony and that idea, I probz woulda bought one if we did.

[kidkit]

I didn't realize that... lame.

[Chris]

JAPAN SHIP DATE / TITLE / STATUS
11/11/2006 / Genji: Days of the Blade / 70% complete
11/11/2006 / Mah-Jong Fight Club Online / 60% complete
11/11/2006 / Mobile Suit Gundam: Target In Sight / 80% complete
11/11/2006 / Resistance: Fall of Man / 80% complete
11/11/2006 / Ridge Racer 7 / 80% complete /
11/11/2006 / Sega Golf Club featuring Miyazato Family / 70% complete /

November 2006 / Armored Core 4 / 80% complete

December 2006 / F1 Championship (working title) / 60% complete
December 2006 / Gran Turismo HD (working title) / 70% complete
December 2006 / MotorStorm / 60% complete

Winter 2006 / Need for Speed Carbon / 70% complete
Winter 2006 / Enchant Arm / 70% complete
Winter 2006 / Railfan / 30% complete

2006 / Sonic the Hedgehog / 80% complete

2006 (Projected) / Fatal Inertia / 90% complete

Spring 2007 / The Eye of Judgment / 70% complete
Spring 2007 / Heavenly Sword / 65% complete
Spring 2007 / Lair (tentative for Japan) / 40% complete
Spring 2007 / Monster Kingdom: Unknown Realms (working title) / 30% complete
Spring 2007 / Virtua Fighter 5 / 70% complete
Spring 2007 / Virtua Tennis 3 / 50% complete
Spring 2007 / Wangan Midnight / N/A

Summer 2007 / Everybody's Golf 5 (working title) / 30% complete
Summer 2007 / Warhawk / 50% complete

2007 / Afrika (working title) / 30% complete
2007 / Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots / N/A
2007 / Coded Arms: Assault / 40% complete

TBD / Devil May Cry 4 / N/A
TBD / Bladestorm: The Hundred Years' War / 60% complete
TBD / fl0w (working title) / N/A
TBD / Shirokishi / 10% complete
TBD / Final Fantasy XIII / N/A
TBD / Rainbow Six Vegas / N/A

Some interesting data.

[TRIGGER M4N]

Why is it?

[Chris]

because some of Sony's major titles are only 30% complete. I thought that was a little interesting, don't you?

[Curry]

I find 11/11 titles pegged at 60% scary too. That's 1.5 month for 40% of a game... when was the last time a retail game was developed in 4 months again?

What's that Afrika thing tho?

[Chris]

I don't really know anything about Afrika, but I have heard it's their killer app.

I don't really understand either.

[kobejonez]

As mentioned in another topic super BIG(giant even!) huge story about a very odd and very very interesting occurance involving the PS3 at E305....Details are
very sketchy but my source is underground and he surfaces rairly. look to the stage people(not at the boothbabes!!).....What could this possibly mean cryptic clues about a shady coverup of involving sony's golden child the already 1.4 year obselete(some might say redundant) excuse to push an irrelevant video format on consumers who would prefer to have a hardcore console like the previous PSs.hmmmm the buzz must grow....THERE MUST BE HYPE....yikes

[TRIGGER M4N]

I'm sorry Kobe. I have no idea what you're on about.

[CJ35]

I hate PS3!!!!!
Well gunna buy one to make money on ebay!

[Curry]

I don't hate PS3, I just think it's 1.5 years late and overpriced because of a gimmick noone wants or needs :)

I'm honest to God hoping it still does well despite Sony's mismanagement, because the last thing we need is Microsoft taking over Sony's position of lazy arrogant market leader.... I'd love this generation to turn out 1:1:1 for all 3 console makers. Competition makes better and cheaper games and consoles.

[Zerodisorder]

I agree, I have no problem with the ps3, I just think that if the graphics don't look any different than the 360, and they haven't had too many consoles yet made, than I don't see it worth being the price it is, maybe when they drop I'll get one, but until than, I will enjoy my 360 and maybe a Wii.

[Chris]

Yeah Curry, I agree. The reason why the Xbox owners are getting so much is because Microsoft NEEDS marketshare, and they're doing all they can to make themselves look like angels. Hence the demos/content and all the blogs where they love to be known as the company who 'gets gamers, because we're all gamers'. I believe that, but if they were number 1, I'd also believe they might turn into a Sony-like company, using us to push hardware (or something Microsoft wants to sell). Not good.

[CJ35]

I also agree, i jsut dislike PS3 putting it better