Saints Row

[Nino]

Was a letdown for me. I didnt have high expectations and I knew there would be framerate issues because it was an ancient build but besides that I coulndt enjoy it. It stole way too much from San Andreas and didnt add a whole lot of new things. Sure it looks nice and the physics are fun to play with but the city is boring, the cars are pretty meh, there are no bikes, boats and planes (not in the demo and as far as I know they're not in the full either). Where San Andreas had awesome humor, great art and a lot of variaty in the setting, Saint's Row had none of that. The whole urban thing seems forced, the radio station was annoying and the enemies/main characters had no characteristics to them. In San Andreas you had awesome character as OG Loc but Saint's Row has stupid faceless gangsters which are only identifyable by their shirts.

In short; they stole a lot from San Andreas but not enough to make it enjoyable and they didn't add enough of their own ideas to justify the stealing. What do you think?
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Nevermind, Saints Row time, bitch!

[YLA G]

its indeed a 99% copy

[Chris]

I myself liked it. I kind of wonder what a San Andreas demo would've looked like in an early build. Probably not so good. About the airplanes, we know there's a Helicopter at least from the making of video(on the disc anyway). The radio thing was a little annoying, but they only played like 3 or 4 different songs. The complete version has 300(I think?) different tracks.
Yeah, they stole a lot from San Andreas, but that's because a lot of San Andreas works. Saints Row even uses the same controls.

Something missing from Saints Row is like the little recorded tricks you do in cars and bikes and shit. Like when you did a wheelie, it would say 30 feet, or 50 feet or whatever. Or a long ass jump in a car would be recorded, or landing on two wheels. I liked that in San Andreas.

[Back to Saints Row]I like how you can shoot out specific things on the cop car, like the six different lights on the top and that detail. I like the damage on the cars. I like how you open a door to a building, and there's no loading ever.

I died a couple times from the metal flying away from the exploding cars. I want the game. It's the only game where you're like 'Whoa cool' when you die instead of getting pissed off.

[Rival24]

I totally agree with you Chris :).

[kobejonez]

Not a bad GTA clone, but there may be lawsuits. I'd be super p1ssed off if I was the designer of GTA and out for blood.

[Studley]

It was hella disappointing. I moaned in another thread that I hated San Andreas' "gangsta" setting. So in the Saint's Row demo, I gave up as soon as I got to the mission that asked me to "round up ho's".

Draw distance is impressive, pathfinding on the map is a nice touch, and I suppose it'll look OK once they sort the framerate out for the release version. But yeah, it's just GTA 360, but not in a good way. Zero for originality.

[Curry]

I don't care about zero for originality. They took a working concept and improved on the by far worst thing of the GTA series: PS2 graphics from the previous century.

I liked the demo and I won't be buying the game, since GTA wasn't my style and so this blatant but imho well executed copy isn't either.

[Studley]

I'm not saying I won't love the next GTA, even though it'll be a carbon-copy with updated graphics. This is just trying too hard to stomp directly on GTA territory, even down to the same sort of setting as their last game.

(Actually the worst thing about last-gen GTA was the load times when going between islands and entering buildings, but Saint's Row seems to have eliminated them altogether - which can only be a good sign)

[Number 13]

I have to say I enjoyed it, and I've been a GTA afficionado since the first one back on the PC.

It's not perfect, but game engine aside, I think it's more like GTA2 rather than any of the others, in that it's more about the 'respect' thing than any sort of plot driven mission structure.

It's not, like GTA, a targeted plot based on the character (whether it be Fido, Vercetti or CJ) but rather one in which you've created your own gang member and build your way to the top - think Top Spin's career mode, but with violence! ;)

I'd assume there'll be some sort of water transport in the final build, because that river looks far too tempting, and there were little piers. If there wasn't going to be boats, why bother with that at all?

I found the controls a little difficult at first, because I've gotten so used to using the RT to accelerate (thanks PGR3!) and so kept accidentally shooting people (eep!) but that aside, I enjoyed it.

It's not GTA, but it'll fill the gap nicely while we wait for the real deal to come out. Like buying shop-brand cola when you can't get Coke. Know what I mean?

And the radio stations will be fixed for the release, I'm sure. A demo is, after all, cut down by nature.

Peace ;)

[Curry]

Also I heard some complaints about not being able to fly: with this kind of textures and geometry that's nearly impossible without having to rely on the HD for caching..... and they're formally not allowed to do that considering there are Core owners out there.

[Number 13]

Also I heard some complaints about not being able to fly: with this kind of textures and geometry that's nearly impossible without having to rely on the HD for caching..... and they're formally not allowed to do that considering there are Core owners out there.
Didn't stop Football Manager, though.

And is it Dynasty Warriors that requires something like 800mb for a save game? I can't remember, but if so, then that's a game that basically requires an HD to play in any sort of meaningful way.

MS should bite the bullet and admit the Core systems were a bad idea and offer Core owners a small discount on HDs just to get everyone on equal footing, IMO.

[xboxguy]

The controls really did it for me. GTA pissed me off to no end with that auto aim shit, i couldnt stand it. And besides, this game will have online play. It may be too gimmicky to enjoy for an extended period of time, but it should be fun.

[Zerodisorder]

Well, i myself was surprised by it, unlike everyone else form what i hear, i had no slowdown problems at all what so ever. Also the graphics werent bad, not amazing liek everyone wants them to be, but well done. And I have always find Gta to be over rated. Bad graphics, bad controls, and a storyline that ya really didn't care about. So i'm sure this may have a lot of simialarities, but i can't bash it because GTA was the pioneer. We wouldnt have call of duty if it wasn't for medal of honor starting it, yet call of duty has overtaken medal of honor.

[Curry]

Didn't stop Football Manager, though.

And is it Dynasty Warriors that requires something like 800mb for a save game? I can't remember, but if so, then that's a game that basically requires an HD to play in any sort of meaningful way.

MS should bite the bullet and admit the Core systems were a bad idea and offer Core owners a small discount on HDs just to get everyone on equal footing, IMO.I fully agree but consider it highly unlikely :)

[Nino]

But the 'core' is a pretty good idea if you think about it. You and I might like our HDD's but Joe Average just wants to play Madden 07 when it comes out. He doesnt need a HDD. And it puts the pricepoint 200$ under the 'core' version of the PS3.

[Studley]

I'm intrigued by what the multiplayer might offer. I guess it'll probably be carnage - like that GTA cheat which gives weapons to all the pedestrians - but there are some awesome possibilities. For instance, imagine a multiplayer mode where your team have to get a package from A to B. And the other team have to stop them by any means. You could whack the package in a vehicle and speed towards your destination, but then the opposition put up a roadblock and have guys with rocket launchers on the roofs of buildings... that would rule.

It's not going to be that cool though, is it? ;(

[Nino]

It's not going to be that cool though, is it? ;(

Nah the modes were along the lines of 'capture the hoe' and deathmatch.

[Chris]

And protect the pimp.

[Studley]

Just got OXM UK, which worryingly "only" gives it 8/10 (they tend to give all major games a big rating boost).

Plus points:
Fun multiplayer mode
Hugely detailed and very realistic city
Real-time physics add to the experience

Negatives:
Very derivative, poor sense of humour
No motorbikes or planes

Overall: 8/10: Solid, but lacks the intelligence of GTA

[Chris]

didn't read anything because i'm a dumbass.

[Studley]

Read again. I'm not giving anything to anything ;)

[Chris]

Fixed. :+

[Studley]

:+

One interesting thing from the review that I didn't know about:

The best part of the game isn't a story mission at all. It's a challenge called Insurance Fraud, where the objective is to leap in front of speeding vehicles. The more injuries you sustain and the more witnesses you clock up, the more you earn in damages.

And there's a demolition derby mode \o/

[kobejonez]

The Insurance Fraud thing sounds cool and the multiplayer could be a lot of fun. And as for Planes, Trains, Bikes & misc other vehicles, well get on the boards and nag the devs for downloadable content, if enough of us who are bothered ask for it they WILL bow to the demand. I'm gonna.

[Studley]

I doubt that major gameplay additions like planes would be DLC, that's probably being saved for Saint's Row 2. I suspect they're missing for a reason - the draw distance / framerate probably drops loads when you're looking at that detailed a city from high up.

[Spark]

Let's hope GTA 4 will be 100% better

[Chris]

Better than San Andraes, yeah.

[Rival24]

Shouldn't be a problem graphicswise i hope ;)

[Zerodisorder]

shouldnt be if its got a year more to go, considering how good osme of the games coming out soon look.

[TRIGGER M4N]

Why is everyone saying "Errrr!! It's a GTA clone."
Why is it? Is Halo 2 a Counter-Strike clone? Nah, all it is, is that they are in the same genre, just like Saint's Row and GTA, both free-roaming.

[Nino]

Why is everyone saying "Errrr!! It's a GTA clone."
Why is it? Is Halo 2 a Counter-Strike clone? Nah, all it is, is that they are in the same genre, just like Saint's Row and GTA, both free-roaming.

The difference between San Andreas and Saint's Row makes the difference between Halo 2 and Counter Strike seem like a dating sim and a racing game. It's not just the genre that's the same, it's almost every fscking move and detail. The fighting, the car jacking, the radio stations, the missions, the setting... It's almost embarasing.

[TRIGGER M4N]

I must admit, I haven't downloaded it yet, I have not been in for a week, I'm just catching up on what's going on.

[HellFire]

I have the review build and although the game is really nice (expect no evolotuin and certainly no revolution!), I have to say with regret that de review build lacks graphical sweetness. Looks like they have downgraded the whole thing. The textures are low-resolution, lots of lightseffects are gone and the whole shiniess of the game has dissapeared. It's a very generic game now, with not much eyecandy as the demo. Very weird... but true.

The game still rocks tho, and I think it's the best GTA since... GTA. ;)

[HellFire]

Oh yeah, it's a debug copy, copy of QA master, but it is the final build... makes you wonder.

[Nino]

I must admit, I haven't downloaded it yet, I have not been in for a week, I'm just catching up on what's going on.

Then I understand your comment. I shared your stance on the ever present 'omg clone!' comments but I just have to agree with them after playing the demo.

[Cage]

If you want to get past the red Demo Limits, try this on for size :)
http://kotaku.com/gaming/tips/beyond-the-barrier-in-saints-row-191784.php

[HellFire]

http://www.gamer.nl/doc/33875

Here's the full listing of the soundtrack in Saints Row. Not just all hip-hop mind you! :)

(crosspost... oh well).

[Chris]

Play has given Saints Row a 9.0/10, and Dead Rising a 9.5/10.

OXM gave Saints Row an 8.0/10.

[Zerodisorder]

If you want to get past the red Demo Limits, try this on for size :)
http://kotaku.com/gaming/tips/beyond-the-barrier-in-saints-row-191784.php
Yea, I did that and got on top of the train and you can shoot it so it starts to fly up into the air off the track lol.

[Nino]

Play has given Saints Row a 9.0/10, and Dead Rising a 9.5/10.

OXM gave Saints Row an 8.0/10.

Can't wait 'til EDGE gives it a 5.

[Cage]

Can't wait 'til EDGE gives it a 5.

You mean 5 stars out of 5? :+

[Nino]

You mean 5 stars out of 5? :+

I mean a 5 out of 10. EDGE rarely gives a 10. EDGE gave Ultimate Ghosts n Goblins a 9 which was the first time in 9 issues they gave a 9.

[Studley]

The soundtrack looks mostly rubbish, but... HUSKER DU!!

8/10 seems about the average score (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/saintsrow?q=saints).

[Cage]

I mean a 5 out of 10. EDGE rarely gives a 10. EDGE gave Ultimate Ghosts n Goblins a 9 which was the first time in 9 issues they gave a 9.
I was just jerking your chain ;)
Any reviewer that gives a 10 for any game isn't even trying to be objective. A 10 is perfection and nothing is perfect. But in the end it all is personal opinion and I only believe my own opinion. A good review is a start but not per defenition good..

[Nino]

The soundtrack looks mostly rubbish, but... HUSKER DU!!

8/10 seems about the average score (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/saintsrow?q=saints).

Husker Du and Bad Brains yeah. If you're into Husker Du then checkout Tenement Kids (http://www.tenementkids.com/). My friends' band, influenced by Husker Du. :)

@Cage: I know, true.

[Rival24]

Cage: We disagree (http://wiki.xboxic.com/Xboxic:Scoring) :P

[Curry]

The soundtrack looks mostly rubbish, but... HUSKER DU!!

8/10 seems about the average score (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/saintsrow?q=saints).
I wouldn't consider 3 reviews a good sample yet ;)

[Cage]

Cage: We disagree (http://wiki.xboxic.com/Xboxic:Scoring) :P
Well, it looks like my description is pretty much the same as the scoring tabel that xboxic uses ;) Only difference is that you guys only grade in full numbers, so giving a 10 for a game which should've got a 9.7 (rounded up ofcourse) is a nice alternative. No game deserves a solid 10 aka perfection. There will allways be someting that could've been better. ie. load times or that one polly that's not as mint as the rest :P

[Curry]

In practice I don't foresee us ever giving the 10, but I like to keep the option open ;)

[Chris]

I still want the game. No matter what evil Nino says.

[Rival24]

I still want the game. No matter what evil Nino says.

Yeah, I want it too, but not for €55:)

[Studley]

I want it, but not for €75, bloody price-fixing British retailers :-(

[Rival24]

I want it, but not for €75, bloody price-fixing British retailers :-(

I believe Play.com is located in the UK and their pricepoint is below €75.

[TRIGGER M4N]

When converted to Euro's, UK gets charged €61.19 online and €76.49 on the High street.

http://shop.gameplay.co.uk/webstore/productpage.asp?productcode=XT0024&title=saints_row

When UK games get exchanged to American currency, we have to pay $75.50 for online and $94.44 for a game off the high street (roughly.)

[Zerodisorder]

Wow...thats terrible, I couldn't imagine paying that much for a game.

[Chris]

Whats the UK's minimum wage? (or whatever it's called there)

[Studley]

When I last checked, it was about £5.20 p/h I think. (It's gone up a lot though - when I first got a part-time job eight years ago, I was paid the grand sum of £1.91 p/h)

[Emily]

This game sucks.

Chris isn't buying it >:)

[Chris]

Wrongo.

I'm getting this shit the day it comes out. :+

[VerbalKint27]

I like it, i've called the review on this, and will be trying my damn hardest to review it as a standalone title, and not make constant comparisions to GTA.

There will have to be a few obviously, but reading some reviews and opinions (*cough* Nino), i think people are treating it like its GTA or nothing. And I see no reason why a GTA fan couldn't enjoy this game...

Maybe the full game will change my mind on that, maybe not. I remain open-minded.

[Studley]

Look forward to the review, I understand you wanting to judge the game on its own merits and everything, but surely you must at least recognise the echoes with GTA:SA (open-scale drive/run/shoot "gangsta" environment), and I would be very interested to see some direct comparisons over why I should choose to play this rather than the cheaper and potentially more in-depth San Andreas in backwards-compatibility.

[VerbalKint27]

The comparisons included will be the importants one, can't distance it totally, you just can't. Even the devs have said they can't deny that GTA is a massive influence.

But thats not to say a copy can't compete or in some areas better that which came before it.

Its not in direct competition, not until GTA4 comes out, and i know that will beat this hands down, not even worried about the quality Rockstar will put out.

I've completed all the GTA's, and I enjoyed this demo, I'll see what the full game has to offer, from the demo it already has a better shooting system than GTA (one of GTA's few frustrations for me), early doors it appears to have a superior mission structure. Great physics. The driving pales in comparison, and there other things which I'll wait for my review to disclose.

[Studley]

So are you lucky enough to get a review copy early? Or are you going to play it like mad next Friday ;)

[VerbalKint27]

Next Friday unfortunately.

[Chris]

I said this before, Volition KNOWS they took a lot from GTA and they aren't trying to hide it. It isn't like they're saying, "We had no inspiration from GTA whatsoever, by the way what's GTA anyway?" They know most of what GTA is, works. So they're using what works, and fixing what doesn't work. People just don't get it (most anyway).

If you're a person who says it's too much like GTA, you're not getting the point.

[TRIGGER M4N]

I said this before, Volition KNOWS they took a lot from GTA and they aren't trying to hide it. It isn't like they're saying, "We had no inspiration from GTA whatsoever, by the way what's GTA anyway?" They know most of what GTA is, works. So they're using what works, and fixing what doesn't work. People just don't get it (most anyway).

If you're a person who says it's too much like GTA, you're not getting the point.

Couldn't agree with you more, too bad Just Cause is A LOT BETTER

[Studley]

Couldn't agree with you more, too bad Just Cause is A LOT BETTER

Just Cause thread, NOOOOOOW >:) Explain yourself!

[Zerodisorder]

If you liked GTA how can you not like Saints Row...It's so close to the same that you'd have to like both. Any flaw in this game would be in GTA. Everygame copied from another lol.

[Messiah]

I really like this game. But I don't like it so much, that i want to pay €59 for it. I'm gonna spend my money on Dead Rising and Ninety-Nine Nights. I'll get the game when it's reduced in price.

[Nino]

Listen to your girlfriend Chris.

Edit:

If you're a person who says it's too much like GTA, you're not getting the point.

Why is that? Why shouldn't I be able to complain about a game that's exactly like a title that came out over 4 years ago and is a lot cheaper at the moment? The fact that Volition acknowledged that they are stealing everything doesn't justify the stealing, does it?

[Chris]

So it's a shitty game because you use Y to enter the car?

[Messiah]

Listen to your girlfriend Chris.

Edit:



Why is that? Why shouldn't I be able to complain about a game that's exactly like a title that came out over 4 years ago and is a lot cheaper at the moment? The fact that Volition acknowledged that they are stealing everything doesn't justify the stealing, does it?

You really hate this game he?

[VerbalKint27]

I wouldn't mind, before the demo it was me who didn't want this, and Nino was telling me to try it because and I quote 'It's just like GTA'.

A classic example of Irony.

[Nino]

So it's a shitty game because you use Y to enter the car?

|:(

[Chris]

I think we need a superhero form of GTA. Sort of like Spiderman did, but with more freedom and interaction.

[Nino]

I think we need a superhero form of GTA. Sort of like Spiderman did, but with more freedom and interaction.

Chris I'd like you to meet these two:

http://cubemedia.gamespy.com/cube/image/article/644/644184/the-incredible-hulk-ultimate-destruction-20050822031108116.jpg

Hulk's Ultimate Destruction for the original Xbox

http://www.xblog.it/public/Crackdown.jpg

Crackdown for Xbox 360.

Both excellent sandbox-with-superpowers games.

[Chris]

I haven't played Crackdown.

And The Hulk?

ehhhhh.

[Nino]

The Hulk was awesome. Try it out if you haven't. Here's (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/theincrediblehulk/media.html?sid=6131705&mode=exclusive&autoplay=6131705) Gamespot's video review for those interested.

[Rival24]

Indeed, it might look stupid at first since it's a game based on a movie but you'll like it.

[Chris]

I haven't been keeping up on your guys' hands on stuff. Did you play crackdown?

did you like it?

[Emily]

I haven't been keeping up on your guys' hands on stuff. Did you play crackdown?

did you like it?

Are you done yet? Come hither.

[Rival24]

I haven't been keeping up on your guys' hands on stuff. Did you play crackdown?

did you like it?

I didn't, but Nino did. I disliked the framdrops :P

[Nino]

I didn't, but Nino did. I disliked the framdrops :P

What framedrops? I think you're confusing Crackdown with the first Viva Pinata build that was shown. I liked it but it seemed like it would get boring after a while. You can only enjoy throwing hookers and kicking cars for so long. Hope they can add enough stuff to keep it interesting.

[Rival24]

I glanced at the screen a couple of times, and it had framedrops, but it wasn't as bad as Viva Piñata ;) But then again, I didn't play myself, and I liked Full Auto, so i guess I can live with framedrops :P

[Chris]

Framedrops in a huge first party title such as viva pinata seems like a huge no-no.

wouldn't you think? seems like suicide.

[Rival24]

Yeah, but the game's not finished and they're working on the framedrop issue.

[Nino]

And the framedrops were a result of the wrong build ran on the wrong machine. It was mostly fixed the day after we first played it. And for the record; I can't recall a lot of framedrops in Crackdown so they couldn't have been that bad.

[Zerodisorder]

Well I hope they fix Crackdown up than, cause that game seems funner than Saints Row and Just Cause, even though I liked both of them

[Nino]

If by fix you mean the framerate issues I wouldnt be too conserned about that, they were pretty much non-existant and the game's not done yet...

[Chris]

Saints Row rocks.

To piss Nino off.

:+

[Curry]

I noticed Major Nelson is already playing it... anyone else got their mitts on the final? :)

Greg Kasavin at Gamespot is highly positive on the game:
Saints Row may look like just another Grand Theft Auto rip-off, but the rare quality of its action and presentation make it stand tall on its own merits.
Gamespot users vote 9.2 in 594 votes (!!!).

[Chris]

I watched a couple people play it earlier today at my gameshop. I think i'm getting it tomorrow.

It looks great, and it's getting good reviews (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/saintsrow).

[Curry]

Yeah I'm really surprised by Kasavin's praising words, he's usually known to be the killer critic of the bunch.

[Nino]

LIES! ALL LIES!

[Chris]

:Y)

[Zerodisorder]

My friend says he's enjoying it so far. He says he likes the online as well but it gets a bit laggy if the room gets full.

[Nino]

He lies.

[Zerodisorder]

lol, so are you doing the review Nino :P

[Nino]

No I think Verbs is. I'll make sure it meets my quality-standards though >:)

[Zerodisorder]

lol yea, has to have at least 4 "this game sucks" in it :P

[Chris]

No I think Verbs is. I'll make sure it meets my quality-standards though >:)

:r

[TRIGGER M4N]

Yeah, I agree with Chris. No biased person should review it. nino, I am forbidding you to even persuade the final score of this.

[Chris]

Good old Nino wouldn't do a bad thing like that, would you Nino?!

[TRIGGER M4N]

Nino and his bad ways ftl.

[Curry]

Good old Nino wouldn't do a bad thing like that, would you Nino?!
I'm sure he wouldn't O-)

[VerbalKint27]

It's alright, I'm reviewing it - once I get it!

Ain't no way Nino is interfering.

[Chris]

I'm lovin' it.

[Cage]

I'm lovin' it.
And I'm lovin' your avatar! haha.. Will ferrell from the blue oyster cult skit on SNL.. MORE COWBELL! \o/

[Chris]

Will Farrell ftw every single damn time.

[Zerodisorder]

How come you aren't reviewing it chris?

[Chris]

Another one of our crew members has already claimed it. If you want me to make a prediction. I'd probably give it somewhere between a 1 and a 10.

(but don't tell the crew I told you :+)

[Zerodisorder]

Well thanks for filling me in discretely, thanks :D Our little secret.

[Nino]

Curry laughed in my face when I told him that I wanted this game now that Saint's Row is only $40 at Play Asia (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-dw-49-en-70-1ij3.html). ;(

[Chris]

Get the game and love it. That's an order soldier.

[Curry]

Curry laughed in my face when I told him that I wanted this game now that Saint's Row is only $40 at Play Asia (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-dw-49-en-70-1ij3.html). ;(
Damn right I did :Y)

[Zerodisorder]

After all that whining, you shouldn't be allowed to go near it. :P

[Curry]

Bitches at Play-Asia still haven't restocked tho :(

[Chris]

I LOVE SAINTS ROW!

[Studley]

Well I rented Saint's Row via that GameTart trial that was posted on the site a while back, and... it's OK I guess. The main story missions are really cheesy, their idea of "gangsta" is even worse than GTA's, I just skip the cutscenes and then try and work out what they want me to do (usually it's drive to point X, kill person Z).

One strange question: every time I start playing Saint's Row, it disconnects me from Xbox Live, and I can't reconnect to Live until I exit to the dashboard again. Does that happen for anyone else?

[Zerodisorder]

NO, it never happened to me, because than you wouldn't be able to play saints row online.

[westie420uk]

This is a total rip off of GTA but what the hell!
Do you class Pro Evo a copy of FIFA just because they are footy games?
Dont go by the demo, the full game needs to be played before passing coment.

[Nino]

Don't bother with the 'but pro evo and FIFA are similar too' bullshit, it's a retarded comparison.

[Chris]

What is a good comparison?

[Nino]

Grand Theft Auto 3 and Just Cause.
Ninja Gaiden and God of War.
Mega Man and Mario.
Half Life and Quake.
Far Cry and Doom 3.
All games in the same genre with way different art styles/settings/designs.'

(We've been through the whole SR vs GTA discussion a couple of times now and I think everyone knows my stance and everyone else's stances so lets not get into that. All I wanted to put across was that the whole 'but FIFA vs PES or Medal of Honour vs. CoD is the same too!' argument is flawed, you'll figure it out.)

[Cage]

A good comparison? Doom and Quake. Same sort of game, just like GTA and SR.
Quake was just like doom, set in a future setting with monsters to shoot at only with improved graphics and little enhancements here and there (jump anyone?). You had several guns to choose from and had to walk in small corridors. The main character in both games was a buffed up cool guy with a helmet on. Both games were great but shared most of the same qualities..

Just like Saint's Row is a good game on it's own although sharing story, gameplay and all other good things from the GTA franchise.

After playing it myself (own saint's row for a couple of days now) I must say I really like it. The similarities with GTA are a plus for me cause I liked GTA and thus like SR as a GTA clone with buffed up graphics and little enhancements here and there.. :)

[Nino]

Quake and Doom are both games made by id and Quake is more or less the spiritual succesor to Doom. Another flawed comparison, nice try though.

(Better example is Quake vs. Half Life. Half Life uses bits from the Quake engine IIRC and both are miles apart.)

[Cage]

Yes, both ID games but a lame excuse for the comparison flaw. Even though it was sort of a succesor, they didn't stop creating doom games. Quake 4 and Doom 3 were released at around the same time and became competitors. The story, small spaces, hero, gameplay etc. were still same ol' same ol' as I said in my comparisson.

A really really bad comparison is Half Life vs Quake because Quake was a brainless shooter and Half Life was revolutionary and the first one in its genre. It was the first FPS with a story that progressed in real time, unlike the brainless small corridor shooting after another in quake.. sorry nino..

[Nino]

Saying Quake rips off Doom is like saying Nirvana rips off Nirvana. Quake is made by the same artists as Doom and therefore it obviously looks the same and has the same setting. It really is a flawed comparison. Oh and Doom 3 and Quake 4 were not released around the same time :D. Nice try though.

Half Life vs Quake on the other hand is a fine comparison, both are first person shooters, the amount of enemies and puzzles doesn't take away from that at all.

Sorry Cage, you lose.

[Cage]

Only on your mind, Nino.. Only in your mind.. ;):P

(still can't believe you're comparing Quake with Half-Life8)7 :+ )


Oh, just one more thing.. I'd rather buy a game from a company that 'steals' the formula from another company and improves it here and there (SR) then buy a game from a company that makes an almost exact copy of the first success (doom) and make it a new franchise (quake) so they can cash in some more.. That's rippin' of the customers.. although I don't mind it at all. If the game is good, its good imho.. fini. :+

[Nino]

I fucking hate Doom and Quake both evenly because of their boring bland art. The only one I did like was Q3 because of the great multiplayer but the rest were boring and I too rather play SR.

[xboxguy]

I fucking hate Doom and Quake both evenly because of their boring bland art. The only one I did like was Q4 because of the great multiplayer but the rest were boring and I too rather play SR.

i like violence.

[Curry]

I LOVE SAINTS ROW!
that quote in your sig rocks so hard

[Chris]

that quote in your sig rocks so hard

I had to use it here.

I had to.

[Nino]

So who wants to be a part of the Xboxic OG's? :)

[Rival24]

OG Loc!

[Chris]

I want to.

[Nino]

I think I invited you already Christopher.

[Zerodisorder]

I'll join if there is free spots :D I haven't played too much online yet though. But I'm not terrible.

[Cage]

What's the xboxic OG's? ah, who cares.. sign me up! :)

[Nino]

Cage, Zerodisorder; add me to your friendslist and I'll sort it.

[Cage]

Cage, Zerodisorder; add me to your friendslist and I'll sort it.Done via xbox.com. Request is pending. Is the xboxic OG's a gang for Saint's Row Multiplayer or what? Haven't tryed the online part yet :o

[CJ35]

i don't get what your on about!
Whats saints row like am tempted to buy it

[Nino]

Done via xbox.com. Request is pending. Is the xboxic OG's a gang for Saint's Row Multiplayer or what? Haven't tryed the online part yet :o

It's a 'gang', you can form gangs in the online part but I still have to renew my Live subscription and I've got a buttload of other things to do so I won't be very active :)

@CJ; demo on Marketplace, try it out.

[CJ35]

learn something new everyday

[The_Glovner]

I'LL JOIN IF THE LAGS GOT ANY BETTER?

WHOOPS, IM SHOUTING.

[Chris]

haha. :r

[Zerodisorder]

Cage, Zerodisorder; add me to your friendslist and I'll sort it.
Just sent it today, sorry it took me awhile. Forgot to check this thread 8)7

[Studley]

Annoyingly I'm getting quite into this :(

The storyline is shit, but there's a hell of a lot to do, the activities are crazy fun. And unlocking all the achievements will take AGES. I've got it on rental at the moment but I might end up buying it, the 360's gonna bankrupt me I reckon...

[Zerodisorder]

Yea, it was much better than I thought, I agree I thought the story was lame, but other things in the game are fun and well done.

[Rival24]

I'm having a hard time doing the racing thing, I can't get past level 5 with that shit.

[Nino]

I'm having a lot of fun with the Hitman activity. Just scrolling through a hood, looking for your target, staking out etc. I think I'll do all the Hitman missions before I go back to the regular story missions. Snatch is great as well.

That said: I'm a bit bored with the city, as expected. I spent most of my time in GTA doing stunts, exploring etc. I'm not as compelled to do that in Saints Row but that might be because Saints Row has those neat activities. Just hope this game stays interesting after I finish all those missions...

[Studley]

I haven't done much in the Hitman activity yet, just been to Chinatown and got my list of targets. How do you actually find them? I know it tells you roughly which area they are in, but they don't appear as a target on the radar do they?

[Nino]

They do, you'll see a little cross-hair on your minimap if you've chosen a target (start -> info -> activities -> hitman). Be sure to kill them with the specific weapon they require. Also, they don't always show up in the district the game tells you for some sadistic reason.

[MrMoen]

Wouldn't it be a good idea to rename this topic to just Saints Row?

[Nino]

Wouldn't it be a good idea to rename this topic to just Saints Row?

Thought of that, gonna do that now.

[MrMoen]

When? 8)

[The_Glovner]

Still ain't been changed. Probably away devoting all his time to Playstic, that it Nino, you get a new toy and your old one just sits gathering dust?:'(

Oh and I completed all the main missions last night, don't do this if you want to finish all the side ones, thats all i'll say.

[Rival24]

I fixed it :P MWUHAHA

[The_Glovner]

I fixed it :P MWUHAHA

Well at least we know you haven't just abandoned the original to spend all your time looking forward to dealing massive damage in November (disclaimer - Or March if you are from europe and used to getting fucked over)_o_

[Rival24]

Well at least we know you haven't just abandoned the original to spend all your time looking forward to dealing massive damage in November (disclaimer - Or March if you are from europe and used to getting fucked over)_o_

Check the author of the last 3 posts (http://www.playstatic.com/) :D

And we'll never abandon Xboxic because..

XBOXIC FTW!

[The_Glovner]

Check the author of the last 3 posts (http://www.playstatic.com/) :D

And we'll never abandon Xboxic because..

XBOXIC FTW!

I'm playin with ya!

Just like I am playin with the folk on PSIC

[Nino]

I changed it using 'edit', not using thread tools, d'oh. And I did the most recent post on Xboxic, I won't ever abandon this ship :)

[Studley]

I'm stuck :(

I've just done No Time To Mourn (the penultimate Rollers mission), and now it says I've earned enough respect to unlock another mission, but there's no mission on the map and nobody's phoning me ;( Any ideas?

[Nino]

I'm stuck :(

I've just done No Time To Mourn (the penultimate Rollers mission), and now it says I've earned enough respect to unlock another mission, but there's no mission on the map and nobody's phoning me ;( Any ideas?

You have to do activities (Hitman, Chopshop, Hijack, Escort, Trafficking) to get respect.

I've done all my chopshop and hitman missions now, I'm at the last missions for the Los Carnales en the last one for the Vice Kings :)

edit: Ugh, worst ending in a game ever, be sure to save before you start the last mission.

[Studley]

Yes I'd completed enough activities, but I worked out what it was - there's a certain point where no more missions will appear until you take over all of the strongholds. Once you do that, the last few missions open up.

Finished the main storyline (I think? I'm just onto some police chief bonus missions or something), but there's still a lot of gamerpoints to be had so I think I'll play this for some time to come yet.

[Nino]

Stud; be careful with those 'bonus missions' and save before you get one that starts near a yacht, be sure to save before that one. That's the one where you get the worst ending in a game ever.

[Studley]

Thanks for that, I was only one mission away from it, and even after the lameness it doesn't let you save... boy would I have been pissed if that had happened.

[Nino]

I know I am, I refuse doing that last Rollerz mission again. It was a pain in the ass, I was happy that I finished it, I earned some sweet rides but no; Volition decided that I'm done with SR. Fuck them, I'll go play something else instead.

[Rival24]

Finally finished all the activities \o/

[Nino]

Achievements whore :r

[Rival24]

Nah, it was pretty fun :P

[Alphega]

Nah, it was pretty fun :P
Especially the hitman activities I bet. Driving all night to kill a fat lepardskin wearing woman is just peachy. :P

[Nino]

Hitman activities are fun ;(

[Rival24]

But not as fun as mayhem :9~

[Hardrancor]

I am a fan of the GTA and this Game is the best ever Saints Row Rulez

[Curry]

Hitman activities are fun ;(
I don't think I did a single Hitman activity in the whole game 8)7 I tried it once, couldn't find the bitch, gave up :+

[Nino]

Hitman and chopshop are fun. Good substitutes to make up for the small list of things you can do in Saints Row. It really needed some more stunt locations or something.

this Game is the best ever

:r.

Seriously, it's not bad but it's pretty fucking far from the best ever.

[Curry]

It was good fun for a week or two :) I tried multiplayer too, but that def wasn't my thing.

[TRIGGER M4N]

Yo, the ending sucks big fat ostrich eggs! Someone wanna explain what the fuck happened? Remember, spoilers are our friends.