Any sign of bigger hard drives?

[Chris]

Any information at all? :(

[Rival24]

Any information at all? :(
Nope, not as far as i know...

[Chris]

Seems like we're going to HAVE to have one.

[Curry]

All I know is 40Gb and 80Gb models are expected this year.

[etalien]

And all I know is that people owning a Premium system are NOT going to buy those with 3 nice downloads at marketplace O-)

[Chris]

Unless XBox Live integrates what you've already purchased with a new hard drive. I think they could do something.

[Curry]

For what it's worth, the system remembers all your purchases so you can always re-download all your Arcade games etc. :)

But I suspect there will be some facility for copying data easily between different HD's, possibly via the Kiosks in shops.

[cybermans]

save games you can move by using a memory card.

the rumor goes that on E3 new harddrives will be announced.

[Curry]

save games you can move by using a memory card.
But you can hardly expect me to buy a $40 memory card just so I can transfer my data from 20Gb HD to a new 40Gb HD, that'd be quite insane :)

[Rival24]

That's why we have this:
http://www.xboxic.com/news/202

[TRIGGER M4N]

Or, they may release a USB cable that connects to the 40gb HDD and the 360 machine, then do it straight through the console. It's just a thought...

[Chris]

I still haven't tried to hook a hard drive to it.

[Nino]

I still don't see any reason to upgrade to a bigger hard-drive. When my HD gets full (never happened) I'll just delete old demo's and trailers. There's always enough space for some demo's and all you saves...

[Curry]

I've still got 4Gb of demo's on my HD I never bothered to delete yet.

[Chris]

You also have to consider that you start with 13 gigs, not 20, right out of the box.

Plus, what if you want to keep all your demos when you take your xbox to somewhere that doesn't have broadband to redownload everything? Or if you've got a lot of .mp3s saved onto your xbox. Maybe we don't need 80gigs, but i still think we need a little more than 13. Especially after some time.

[Curry]

Just noticed this topic is in 'Xbox Hardware'. Moving to X360 hardware :)

[Studley]

Yeah, I noticed that a while back ;)

The only thing that can be said for the "13GB out of the box" thing - isn't there a rumour going round that a future dashboard release could free up some of this space? I'm sure someone can find me a link to the speculation!

[Curry]

I never heard that rumor, and don't believe it either. The 7Gb is reserved for caching, backwards compatibility, caching, patches and updates and caching. And some for caching too, since that's one of the most important advantage sof an HD, and they'd be nuts to compromise that.

[etalien]

Some say most of the 7 GB is used for the music database (titles and stuff like that). However, i don't get that, cause new music keeps coming out, right?

[Rival24]

The only thing i heard was that 7GB was used for system stuff, caching and xbox1 games.

[Curry]

Some say most of the 7 GB is used for the music database (titles and stuff like that). However, i don't get that, cause new music keeps coming out, right?
Sounds like BS to me. No reason not to fetch that from CDDB directly.

[etalien]

Sounds like BS to me. No reason not to fetch that from CDDB directly.

Then it wouldn't work when your not signed in to Live right? :)

[Curry]

Yeah but on the other hand I don't want to know how big the CDDB databases are. I somehow don't think they'd fit a 20Gb drive, and actually only including a limited number of titles which never updates would be even more pointless.

[Chris]

I never heard that rumor, and don't believe it either. The 7Gb is reserved for caching, backwards compatibility, caching, patches and updates and caching. And some for caching too, since that's one of the most important advantage sof an HD, and they'd be nuts to compromise that.

I think this is the best explanation.

[amjadabbas]

microsoft is already losing money on every unit they're selling...i don think they want more loss!!
even if it's true then none of us is gonna be happy wid that coz that upgrade wud only be for new buyers, rite?? :(

[Rival24]

At this point they're not losing money on the hard drives. But if the PS3 is out with its 60GB hard drive Microsoft might want to reconsider their hard drive size.

[Nino]

if the PS3 is out with its 60GB hard drive
It's confirmed Rival, I've read it on Joystiq or something.

[Rival24]

Click (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=8579)

Sony has confirmed to Gamasutra that the PlayStation 3 will come with a 60GB hard drive as standard, removing the ambiguity on the issue, following potentially confusing statements from Sony's Ken Kutaragi at the developer's Tokyo conference last week.

[Curry]

I wouldn't be surprised if MS started shipping 80Gb HD's with premiums 4 weeks before final announced PS3 launch.

[Rival24]

Maybe, but i doubt it'll come standard in a premium package.

[Curry]

Why not? If that's what they need to counter PS3 launch, so be it. The reported $125 loss per machine was november last year, most probably they're already close to breaking even by now with component production up to full speed and third factory running. So they can take profit now and look silly opposed to their competitor, or take some more small cash hit and exploit the "bigger! better! faster!" paradigm that consumers want to believe in. I'd do the second if I were Peter Moore :)

[Rival24]

It's the question whether they want to take a small extra cash hit as you say or maybe make some profit which isn't sure at all. If i take a look at the prices for us normal customers, a 60gb version is about 50% more expensive than a 20gb and 80gb is about 100% more expensive. Of course microsoft gets huge discounts and they could probably sell a seperate hard drive for $100 just like the 20gb now.

I don't really know how much it costs nowadays to build an xbox, but if the price only dropped a small bit, I think it would be a bad choice for Microsoft. But if you're right and the priced dropped significantly (about $75 or something) then they would take about the some hit and it could be a good option.

In the beginning they actually wanted to make money with the Xbox360, so maybe they'll stick to that :P

[Curry]

I've heard from people inside Microsoft that they're already making unexpected much revenue on the X360 :) Attach rates have been insane apparently.

[Neejoh]

Well, mine is about 50% full (or empty for the positive persons....) just by downloading demos... I'm not sure how long I can keep it up, 'cause I'd hate it if I have to delete a cool demo just to see that the demo I just downloaded sucks real bad...

I'm all in for a bigger HDD!

[Curry]

Mine's also nearly half full, but I won't be crying when I have to delete NBA Live demo, NFSMW demo, MI:3 trailer or anything... Stuff I really want to keep is less than a gig I suspect (being ~10 arcade games :P )

[Rival24]

I already deleted a bunch of demos, not that i really needed to but just to see if games would load faster since caching is also done by the hard drive.

[Neejoh]

Mine's also nearly half full, but I won't be crying when I have to delete NBA Live demo, NFSMW demo, MI:3 trailer or anything... Stuff I really want to keep is less than a gig I suspect (being ~10 arcade games :P )
But just think about how it would be in a year, 200 demos out on market place (... you get the idea).
It's more the idea than that I actually think it really sucks... But when you think about it, my xbox1 had a 10gb in it and the xbxo360 has too? http://forum.xboxic.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

[ONI 23]

Click (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=8579)

Sony has confirmed to Gamasutra that the PlayStation 3 will come with a 60GB hard drive as standard, removing the ambiguity on the issue, following potentially confusing statements from Sony's Ken Kutaragi at the developer's Tokyo conference last week.

I know Sony will be hyping the 60gb hard drives as a plus over the 360, but depending on the size of the savegames, demos, games, compression, etc... offered through Sony's on-line service wouldn't it kind of balance out?
I mean, it's kind of relative. You may NEED to have a 60gb hard drive if all of the items you can download require more space!
Just a thought.
:*

[Number 13]

A double-sided stand-alone dock peripheral would be useful, I think. You plug your old HD on one side, your new (bigger one) on the other and press the 'transfer' button to copy the data over.

The HD components would slot into it like they do to the actual 360, and it would double as a safe way to store the HD you're not using.

(I suppose it could look something like the cradle for charging multiple battery packs)

[etalien]

Yesterday my HD was full 8)7 I already had most demo's, and downloaded all trailers (nou have 50 of them)... So I removed some demo's I didn't like...

I'm gonna be a trailer collector :P

[Chris]

Wow, that reminds me. No bigger hard drives were mentioned. That kinda sucks.

[Hoffer]

I first need a reason to buy a bigger hard drive. I downloaded all the trailers and demos this week and still had 6 gigs of free space.

[Chris]

Do you have 250 mp3s on it?

[Curry]

Wow, that reminds me. No bigger hard drives were mentioned. That kinda sucks.
Think they were already announced before E3?

[Chris]

Think they were already announced before E3?

I think I heard something, but I didn't think it was confirmed.

[HHS Pilot]

Ok, you guys must not play it, but I play FFXI, and that took up a good chunk of my hard drive. I couldn't download half of the e-3 content without my harddrive being full.

[Chris]

If you listen to the last Major Nelson interview, he talks to the accessories guy for the xbox 360. They talked about the wireless driving wheel, the wireless headset, and the 256MB memory card. He said that since Microsoft is going in the direction of adding more memory by memory card from 64MB to 256MB, that the same idea would most likely be applied to the HDD. We'll have to wait and see.

[Gus McNasty]

Ok, you guys must not play it, but I play FFXI, and that took up a good chunk of my hard drive. I couldn't download half of the e-3 content without my harddrive being full. How much space does PlayOnline viewer and the actual game take up?

[Curry]

Think it was some nasty 7Gb or so :X

[HHS Pilot]

How much space does PlayOnline viewer and the actual game take up?

Yeah, it takes up between 5-7 GB, and I won't be deleting it soon, so i'm praying for a bigger hard drive _o_

[Gus McNasty]

Thank god I went with Oblivion instead, I think I am down to 4 GB right now.

[Curry]

One of these days... background downloads.... then I'll need a bigger HD :)

Other than that, I've had no space problems whatsoever and still got 7Gb available or so, since I simply delete demos after a few months or after I got the full game.

[cybermans]

Thank god there is no pr0n on Marketplace, otherwise I needed a TB harddrive :P

[HHS Pilot]

Thank god there is no pr0n on Marketplace, otherwise I needed a TB harddrive :P

:o Well, by the time that does happen, i'm sure you'll get your Terabyte hard drive

[MrMoen]

I have a question, is it possible to attach an external USB harddrive to a 360?

[Rival24]

I have a question, is it possible to attach an external USB harddrive to a 360?
Yes it is, but only for music and that sort of stuff. No savegames.

[Ponder416]

well there is this but I think you need a memory unit...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7671575&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat66900050003&id=1134701971317

And this: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7784891&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat66900050003&id=1142290252885

[Hoffer]

I have a question, is it possible to attach an external USB harddrive to a 360?

Yes, but you can only use it to store music and photos. You can't use it for game saves or putting marketplace download stuff on.

[MrMoen]

Yes it is, but only for music and that sort of stuff. No savegames.

Might do it just for the MP3's, since my PC is not always on

[Nekro Neko]

And there was me thinking that 7GB of space was hidden porn. I've been wasting all this time looking for it god damn it. 8)7

[HHS Pilot]

And there was me thinking that 7GB of space was hidden porn. I've been wasting all this time looking for it god damn it. 8)7

if only........... if only.............

[Curry]

if only........... if only.............
What's 7GB of porn in this era of broadband internet?

[Chris]

I think I read somewhere that since Microsoft is coming out with the 256MB memory card, the 50MB maximum on XBLA titles might be raised.

[Curry]

Not to 250MB tho. Grapevine has it that the limit may be lifted to 75 or 100, to support the unexpected huge success of XBLA and allow more indie developers on the bandwagon.

[Chris]

I think it's grrrrrreat

[Curry]

Grapevine doesn't mention whether it'll happen before 2010 tho :+

[Chris]

I also wonder: If it's more content, the price might be higher.

Maybe we'll see more XBLA titles that are 1200 points.

[Curry]

I also wonder: If it's more content, the price might be higher.

Maybe we'll see more XBLA titles that are 1200 points.
From what I know MS quite explicitly dislikes the 1200MP price point, favoring 800 for original content and 400 for retro content.

There's also some basic economics at work of course: if you can sell 1.5 times the copies at 800 instead of 1200, you might be making the same kind of profits but you'll prefer 1.5 times the audience. Happy users are the best advertising you can buy.

[Phantom]

From what I know MS quite explicitly dislikes the 1200MP price point, favoring 800 for original content and 400 for retro content.

There's also some basic economics at work of course: if you can sell 1.5 times the copies at 800 instead of 1200, you might be making the same kind of profits but you'll prefer 1.5 times the audience. Happy users are the best advertising you can buy.

I've thought the same thing about the retro classics. Right now there's a lot of people who won't buy the games because they see 400 MP as too expensive for such old IP. Bundling three retro games together for 800 MP might actually sell more. Even putting a pair of games out at 600 MP might attract more business.
I'd stop short of putting out a bundle at 1200 though. People tend to just see the 1200 points as too much no matter what you're getting for it.

[Machera]

Not sure where I saw it, I will look again.

There was an onscreen picture someone had of a 70gdHDD. It was in a forum and most people were complaining that it was 70 gb, that M$ just wanted to make it 10 gb larger than Sony's new PS3. The site didn't have any release date other than wild speculation.

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/microsoft/xbox-360-hard-drive-leaked-at-70-gigs-212862.php

Not sure if this links, I am not a veteran of posting.

[Chris]

If you find the picture, it would be much appreciated; unless it's just a picture of an Xbox 360 20GB HDD that has '70GB' as text photoshopped next to it. I'm not saying it isn't real, but that's just too easy to fake and get excited over.

aka: worthless

[Machera]

Found it. It doesn't look like its a hack job, I looked at the resolution lined and it looks legit, what you think?

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/microsoft/xbox-360-hard-drive-leaked-at-70-gigs-212862.php

[Chris]

http://www.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/11/291246264_38b8c2cc82.jpg

Looks good, although I think debug kits have bigger hard drives than standard editions of the Xbox 360. I think I remember a picture like this showing 320 gigs available earlier this year sometime.

I do wish we get bigger HDD's, although I know a lot of people don't really care.

[Chris]

*forum update* we've got bigger hdds.

[Rossko_UK]

Haha, nice update.

[Rival24]

Yea thanks...

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