Achievement Points

[AugustusBot]

At times, I'm sure I come off as an Achievement Whore. But I don't just play any and every game in an attempt to get Achievements. I don't have King Kong, etc... And it's not as if I judge people based on their Achievement scores... (unless they have 80k+... and then I both envy them and pity them.) It's just an ongoing sense of accomplishment.

There are certain games... like Tomb Raider, or Tony Hawk's American Wasteland... that I would rent, enjoy for a time, and not really care if I complete them or not... Or like Kameo, where I'd play through half and not really care if I finish it and save Kameo's family or not... And I know they're not on this sytem, but games like Final Fantasy 7, 8, 9... I got to the point in the game where you can kill extra content / Weapons / etc... just before the last dungeon... and I got bored and quit. A lot of times in games the stories are never grasping, they never give you a feeling of "my god i want to beat this / find out what happens"...

Along come Achievements... a sense of accomplishment; a prize; a reward for your effort. Not a reason to pick up a game, but a reason to not put it down if you were mildly entertained by it.

Complaints:
1. The sense of accomplishment within each individual game is not as great as it once was unless it activates an Achievement. This might be my own problem, but I have a feeling I'm not the only one who suffers from this.
2. Game to game, the achievements are not equal. A game like Oblivion or Viva Pinata, which are both very fun to play, obtains 1000/1000 Achievement points a long time before all of the content in the game has been experienced. Sure, you could continue playing, because the games are indeed fun, but you accomplish nothing by doing so (see 1.). Compare this to every first person shooter, which requires hours upon hours of online play in order to achieve 1000/1000... and there's a very large inconsistency. I have to play a game like Perfect Dark beyond the point of fun in order to get 1000/1000, I have to play Oblivion / Viva Pinata for a fraction of the amount of time fun would be had in order to get 1000/1000.


Hmm.. I felt like I had another complaint... I'm sure I'll remember it eventually.

[Sc0tty2h0tty17]

altho i agree in most aspects of what u are saying

took me 80 hrs of play to get all the achievements in Oblivion.... that isnt really that quick or easy


by the way... any1 with 1000 on Perfect Dark Zero.. let me shake your hand

[trj156]

i was just playing half life 2 on xbox and i ran into this problem. i haven't touched it in about two weeks. i really dont like tough online achievements that i know i'll never get, like 10000 kills in GOW. that achievement and the "climb to the top of the world leaderboard!" in games like graw just piss me off. my favorite sets of achievements (so far) are cod2 and oblivion. cod2 did not require countless hours of multiplayer, only abot 90 billion hours of single player. oblivion is also cool because otherwise,i'd finish the main story and give it back to the guy i borrowed it from. i'm not really an achievement collector either but i certainly love to get them.

[Rossko_UK]

Hmm, interesting discussion.

It's always nice to hear that special noise of when an Achievement is unlocked, and I'll confess I do play games longer than I normally would to try and get an Achievement. Having said that, I have never finished Oblivion, which I know are relatively straight forward to achieve. I just can't be bothered. Same with FPS': I know that if I put enoguh time into the game, I'll get them eventually, but I'm not prepared to do that for the simple fact it's a waste of time for me.

[Voyager2k]

Originally Posted by AugustusBot

[................] A game like Oblivion or Viva Pinata, which are both very fun to play, obtains 1000/1000 Achievement points a long time before all of the content in the game has been experienced. Sure, you could continue playing, because the games are indeed fun, but you accomplish nothing by doing so (see 1.). Compare this to every first person shooter, which requires hours upon hours of online play in order to achieve 1000/1000... and there's a very large inconsistency. I have to play a game like Perfect Dark beyond the point of fun in order to get 1000/1000, I have to play Oblivion / Viva Pinata for a fraction of the amount of time fun would be had in order to get 1000/1000.

And that is a problem why ?

Let me tell you why ..... because you Sir are putting way too much weight into achievements. We had this argument before and it won't be any diffrent now. You're playing with achievements in mind, the actual goal(s) of a game seem to lose more and more importance to you.

Achievements are nothing but an added bonus to reward "grinding" in games. It all comes down to grinding if you think about it. Only exception are achievements that are beeing granted for finishing a chapter or something and those are actually not really achievements in the intended sense.

No matter how you look at it, it's just to keep you playing a little longer without having to provide CONTENT to accomplish that. Tie that into your GT and you're becoming an excellent example of how to shift a customers focus away from the product and towards an artificial community goal.

Now, I'm not saying achievements are bad. As always, bad is what ppl make of it

Really, you should'nt give a rats supersexy rearview about those achievements and just smile whenever you get one. But looking them up and playing to get them all ..... that's just absurd, sorry. But even then, as long as it entertains YOU it's all good. Just don't complain about achievements because that is where it gets really messed up

[MIT ACID]

its official i am an achievement whore

bow to this whore lol

[Fetter]

I'm alot newer than any of you to this. Got my 360 about 3 weeks ago and never used live before... but achievements are an interesting an idea. It's liek an added bonus. Although i do find myself playing 30 minutes more here and there trtying to hit that one achevment.

[Chris]

Maybe with Achievements they could eventually let you 'buy' things with them. It might add a little to the bonus idea. Sort of like Pepsi/Coke points or whatever that you get when you buy a 20oz.

[AugustusBot]

Originally Posted by Chris

Maybe with Achievements they could eventually let you 'buy' things with them. It might add a little to the bonus idea. Sort of like Pepsi/Coke points or whatever that you get when you buy a 20oz.

I duno if i would want to actually spend my score / reduce it... But I would love it if say... Viva Pinata had a download on the Marketplace for a few new Pinatas and some Accessories... and you could only access it if you had 1000/1000.

Or an official Microsoft/Epic tournament for something like Gears of War... only people with 1000/1000 can enter the tournament...

edit: welcome Fetter! to the 360 and to xboxic!

[Chris]

Yes. It seems like they could do SOMETHING else with these points.

[Zerodisorder]

When my 360 was running I was really into the achievements that it got to a point where other games on other consoles seemed boring because they didn't have them, but since my 360 died I recieved an old Gamecube for free from a friend and I bought Resident Evil 4 and a couple other games and have been enjoying the hell out of them. I'm glad I can enjoy games without having to win points because I'd rather have the gameplay drive me to keep playing and not the fact I can increase my gamerscore.

[trj156]

Originally Posted by Chris

Yes. It seems like they could do SOMETHING else with these points.

even an official GS leaderboard accessible through the dashboard would be nice.

[Rival24]

Originally Posted by Zerodisorder

When my 360 was running I was really into the achievements that it got to a point where other games on other consoles seemed boring because they didn't have them, but since my 360 died I recieved an old Gamecube for free from a friend and I bought Resident Evil 4 and a couple other games and have been enjoying the hell out of them. I'm glad I can enjoy games without having to win points because I'd rather have the gameplay drive me to keep playing and not the fact I can increase my gamerscore.

I can enjoy myself with other games as well, but I don't really feel to explore the extras in those games. Playing the games on all difficulties? Nah. I'm currently playing God of War on the PS2 and I'm not going to play that again on a higher difficulty level. If it was released on the Xbox 360, I would probably.

[Voyager2k]

Originally Posted by Zerodisorder

When my 360 was running I was really into the achievements that it got to a point where other games on other consoles seemed boring because they didn't have them, but since my 360 died I recieved an old Gamecube for free from a friend and I bought Resident Evil 4 and a couple other games and have been enjoying the hell out of them. I'm glad I can enjoy games without having to win points because I'd rather have the gameplay drive me to keep playing and not the fact I can increase my gamerscore.

You know, I am kinda going through the same thing right now. Just that my 360 didn't even die .....

All the next-gen supergoodness is sitting in my living room, catching dust. Accompanied by a semi-high-end sound system, a 40" hdtv and a bunch of games. All sitting there, catching dust.

Instead of dwelling in all the high-tech-next-gen-goodies at my place I am spending most of my time right now very comfortably suited in my bedroom with my ps2 hooked up to my old sony sdtv playing Final Fantasy XII and when I am done with that I have Xenosaga Episode II and III still waiting for me (probably gonna play Ep I again too and do the whole (almost, except Xenogears) story in one go) and after that the US release of Rogue Galaxy or whatever that new SciFi rpg is called should be out. And then that's that for ps2 ..... but ... all without achievements or any online multiplayer mumbojumbo

I thought after getting the 360 I'd never touch my xbox, ps2 or gc again but all it really takes is a few games and all that next-gen stuff means nada, zero and zilch. Changes your perspective somewhat

[The_Glovner]

Originally Posted by Chris

Yes. It seems like they could do SOMETHING else with these points.

For every achievement point gained a PS3 Fanyboy dies.

Play your part in ridding the world of this blinkered scourge.

[TwoXist]

Originally Posted by The_Glovner

For every achievement point gained a PS3 Fanyboy dies.

Play your part in ridding the world of this blinkered scourge.

Lol Im doing my part!




good old Starship Troopers.

[xYouGot0wnedx]

Good thing I'm working on my gamerscore
@XBlue: you might want to hurry up and play some other games to get that "Pimp my ride" image out of your recently played games.
I'd be embarassed....

[Zerodisorder]

I wouldn't be embarrassed. It's just a game lol. I'm sure tons of people enjoyed the show and are curious about the game. I know I wanna see what it looks like.

[TwoXist]

Well since i get to demo games for free im not embarrassed. It started out kind of entertaining but needless to say it still sucked very very bad.

[Fetter]

Originally Posted by XBLUE

Well since i get to demo games for free im not embarrassed. It started out kind of entertaining but needless to say it still sucked very very bad.

How did you manage to get to demo games for free?

[Rholo Tamasi]

I judge people soley on their gamerscore, despite race creed or color. This may seem harsh as I meet many people through work and elsewhere that don't have an xbox 360, these people fall into the "zero" category and rarely deserve my time. When meeting new people it's important to blurt out loudly "whats your gamerscore, my gamerscore is #_____?" Often you will be plagued with questions such as "who are you" and "what are you doing here", you will need to either mute these people or post a complaint regarding their conduct.
I hope this helps those of us who have lost touch with reality.

Post Script. the best gamerscore is always the one I have at that particular moment...

[kobejonez]

I'm definitely an underachiever as far as GS goes considering the amount of games I own, but theres some achievements that I can go back and get but theres a tonne that I'll never do. I've moved up recently Thanks mostly to Condemned and King Kong.

[UKJAY]

I dont care for achievements much really - Im one of those people that buy games, play them for a bit - put them down, buy another, play it for a bit, put it down - go back to an old game, then a new one....Im really all over the place

[Tucky]

im just going for 10k then ill be happy, im on 8053 atm
Great idea by MS, makes you play a game much more. Sony must love the idea too as they cant come up with a better one. 'entitlements' i mean come on! ateast acomplishments or something sony! haha!

[Curry]

Achievements inspire me to come back to a game to get one more bitchy achievement

Plus I'm about to break 10k. Rawr.