BetaRay, SELF-DESTRUCT

[Chris]

Interesting read about how if your blu-ray drive detects that you're using stolen media, a self-destruct code will be shot out to your machine through the internet.

Here's another Blu-Ray story. Sad, Sad, Sad.

[E2K]

Chris, if i were to posts some links to actual facts here, it would make you look stupid

So i won't. :0

But you should at least mention that BD and HD DVD use the same copy protection.

So clear it up yourself, and change the title.
Your avator suggest you aint an xboxfanboy, so don't act like one in that case.

or change your avatar

[Curry]

Originally Posted by E2K

But you should at least mention that BD and HD DVD use the same copy protection.

It's mandatory in Bluray though and entirely optional in HD-DVD.

So clear it up yourself, and change the title.

He doesn't have rights for that on the forum, but what would need to be changed

Your avator suggest you aint an xboxfanboy, so don't act like one in that case.

I'm really considering blacklisting the word 'fanboy' on the forums. Just saying something about one of the consoles, whether or not misinformed, does not make one a fanboy.

Please refrain from calling everyone a fanboy for nothing, that's just offensive uncalled for flamebait. Forums are for discussion, and in discussions you convince people by supplying arguments, not by insulting them.

[E2K]

Curry, if you really had guts, you should make a newsitem out of this:

http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/#bluray_vs_hddvd_comparison

"yeah but it is propaganda, look at the adress!!!".

hmm, well, i'll find a different source:
(5 min later)
use google

The way it is now, you'll enjoy less titles on hddvd xbox360 then bd-rom.

But you get my point.
You'd probably make an item saying:
"hd dvd will be cheaper than blu ray!!" Well, it doesn't matter. The xbox will have blu ray however. But don't expect sony to give microsoft a cheap lincence

[Rival24]

Originally Posted by E2K

The way it is now, you'll enjoy less titles on hddvd xbox360 then bd-rom.

There aren't any hddvd titles coming to the Xbox 360 as far as I know. And besides much more diskspace isn't needed if developers use the game engine for movies instead of those oversized cgi videos.

[Cage]

Here's a nice (not sony) review conclusion of bluray vs hddvd.

We have two great high capacity optical formats for the future, which correspond to two different manufacturer strategies. HD-DVD is clearly an evolution of the DVD format and a cheaper solution, both for disc manufacturers and customers. With its improved codecs, it seems good enough to fill current HD-TV needs. Blu-ray features superior data density and offers a more innovative approach, which would seem to support a longer lifetime. But innovation is expensive and we can’t be sure people will agree to pay the price.

It seems clear that we will see both of the formats at least for a while, as right now there is no clear winner. Perhaps due to higher manufacturing costs, coupled with the non-critical (for now) high storage capacities which Blu-ray offers, HD-DVD probably holds a slight advantage, especially for home recording. However, the companies supporting Blu-ray may manage to reduce production costs and at least members of CD Freaks can find ways to take advantage of this extra capacity.

Regardless of how this war plays out, we will be the winners when one considers the advantages of these new optical storage strategies.

source : http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/186/5

[Curry]

Originally Posted by E2K

Curry, if you really had guts, you should make a newsitem out of this:

http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/#bluray_vs_hddvd_comparison

"yeah but it is propaganda, look at the adress!!!".\

I'm really getting sick of you and your extremely childish and poorly argumented accusations towards the people that run this site and again recommend you to change that behaviour if you wish to remain an appreciated guest. A few posts ago I warned you friendly to stop the fanboy bullcrap, and implying I don't have any guts and only write Xbox-commercials and anti-Sony-propaganda is not the correct way of responding to that.

[Chris]

If anyone wants to, I'm in support of changing it from 'BetaRay, SELF-DESTRUCT' to 'Blu-Ray, SELF-DESTRUCT'.

[E2K]

Yo, directed at curry because you are like the god of xbox.

Well, the forum members can only post negative things about the blu ray and other sony related items in the forum, but they cannot do shit on the frontpage. You, however can.

So i was thinking if you had the guts to go against some of the community, by posting facts that are in favor of the blu ray.

But this is too much for some.

Well then, any other moderators who have 'the balls'?

that was a joke.

But it will be funny to see some of thos in a freerecord shop or something in 2007:
"huh where is the hd dvd? i thought BD was going to fail because of things i read on xbopxic.com?? "

only time will tell however...

[Curry]

Why should our FP cover BluRay news? It's not like it's Xbox-related news is it?

Also, where on our FP do we say BD is going to fail?

And lastly: I'm not in favor of BluRay. From a technical perspective I think it's an overzealous attempt to thrust DRM far too far into the user-unfriendly area. DRM is good, compromising usability because of DRM is not. And I more or less expect it to fail, considering HD-DVD is backed by Microsoft and Intel, as such owning the whole PC market, and they explicitly oppose BluRay.

[Aift]

E2K.

Blu-Ray is a great disc player, that has a lot of potential. But as Curry said, they are trying to go to far in a user-unfriendly area. I mean, I like how Blu-Ray can give the developer more space to work with, so they can put all the things they were thinking to reality. But as J Allard said, if the DVD's that Xbox 360 games are made on doesn't have enough space for you to make you're game on, you are just a bad coder.

I think Blu-Ray is not ready to hit the Home Entertainment market. I think SONY, is bringing BD out to fast, and should wait a generation until most people have a TV that supports 1080p. Hell, I bought a new 30' HDTV saturday, and it only supports up to 1080i(Yes, it supports 720p).

I think BD is a great disc, that is being brought out to consoles to fast, and that's there downfall.

[E2K]

I agree that 1080P is a bit too much for 2006.
People cannot afford 1080P displays at this moment.

What should they do then?
Wait a few years, so that people can buy inferior HD DVD drives?

(inferior as in max bitrate, capacity, scratch resistant surface, etc etc, and windows something instead of java.)

Microsoft tried to make their windows media codec the next standard. The majority of the blu ray camp was against it, so microsoft had to go with HD DVD.

Anyway, they had to release it this year, otherwise the market would be run over by different products and 6 of the 7 big movie studios, apple, philips, sony, etc would lose a lot of money.

I laughed my ass of when HD DVD pretended their format to be in a way that everyone can freely copy all discs and that there would be no copy protection at all.

Even Universal, the only studio that is exclusive to HD DVD, did not agree to this.
So HD DVD also has AACSS or what they call it, etc.

Conclusion: they better release it soon because i want the best. Even if i can only afford a 720P TV at november 2006.

[Aift]

Ha.

I could have predicted that HD-DVD would have a copyright protection, thing on it. I mean, why would Microsoft use a disc where people can openly rip stuff off of the disc and make seperate copies. I would have laughed with you when they said HD-DVD wouldn't have copyright protection(CP); because CP goes in favor of the company that is using the disc, and I don't think Sony nor Microsoft are dumb enough to NOT use a disc with CP on it.

Why wait?

So Sony can have something new for the PS4. Give Blu-Ray a chance to develop into it's final stages, instead of using it, in it's early days. Without a risk and also to save money, because Blu Ray players are costly. I mean, Blu Ray is a gamble. It can be successful, it can fail; like all other things in life. As you can see between the PS2 and the Xbox, number don't really mean much. It's in the hands of the developers. As you can see from the past and from J Allards words, if you can't fit what you want on the DVD that 360 games ship on, you are just a sloppy coder.

360 games might turn out to be better, because Microsoft has support for the developers, with there new program XNA. I check my cousin out while he was using it, and I see that he was having a easy time using it; and the process was a lot faster. Sony has yet to put out a program that programs specifically for the PS3. Leaving the developers up to do the things, the ol' fashion way. XNA also allows devleoper to use less space on the disc to create what they want.

In this generation, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray have enough space to do whatever the developers want. At this point, I can even say to much space... SYKE!

[E2K]

creative developers will use it

You do have a point.

The game Vagrant Story, a game that could easily eat up as much hours as oblivion or something, is 80MB 'large'.
But On the other hand, GT4 was around 7 GB, and it has very low res textured cars. Make the same GT4 but now with hi res textures for its 600 cars, and it could easily double.
That is only one example.

But when the ps2 was to use dvd's people said exactly the same !
bla bla a pc game is only 650MB, they will never need 4,5 GB what a waste of money, dvd games are expensive, etc.


One last thing: would you even expect j allar to say "games will be bigger than 8,x gigabytes" give me a break

Btw i will buy a xbox360 when you can copy the games. I can buy this shit here in holland tax-free. But 330 euro is too much, i rather buy a black psp so i have both colors

[Chris]

Sony has officially announced the U.K. price of the Playstation 3 as £425, representing the fully featured PS3 which comes in at $599 in the U.S. and 599 EUR in Europe. GamesIndustry.biz suggests that Sony won't be selling the cut down model over the pond, although this isn't confirmed. The PS3's price in England is higher than the console's price in the United States and Europe but we're not entirely surprised by this: British consumers are used to paying more for their consoles (although traditionally the U.K. gets identical or lower prices compared to Europe). Here's a breakdown of the U.K. premium over U.S. and EU prices:

* £109 more than the U.S. "Premium" PS3: the U.S. price is $599 which converts to £316. Take this away from £425 and you're left with a £109 premium.
* £20 more than the EU "Premium" PS3: the EU price is 599 EUR which converts to £405. Take this away from £425 and you're left with a £20 premium

Now check out the price when compared to the Xbox 360:

* £146 more than Xbox 360 Premium: the Xbox 360 Premium is £279. Take away this figure from the PS3's £425 price and you're left with a £146 premium.
* £206 more than Xbox 360 Core: the Xbox 360 Core is £219. Take away this figure from the PS3's £425 price and you're left with a £206 premium.

If we were in Sony's shoes, we'd feel very uncomfortable right about now: the combination of a chunky U.S./U.K. price divide combined with the absence of a cut-down PS3 bundle doesn't stack up well against the PS3's main competitor: the Xbox 360. But wait! When we stepped into those Sony branded shoes we forgot to take the free prescription of Prozac hidden in the heel! Ahhh, much better. Now we'd say something similar to the Sony marketing rep tasked with announcing the news:

"I don't think it's an expensive machine; I think actually, it's probably a cheap machine ... If you think a Blu-Ray player by itself might be GBP 600-700, and we're coming in at just GBP 425 - it's a bargain."

Sony's "but it plays Blu-Ray" line works if you're addressing early adopters and hardcore users. However, the British public (the majority of which associate "PlayStation" with games console, and not much more) won't take kindly to hearing "bargain" and "cheap" in the same sentence as "four hundred and twenty five pounds".

(from joystiq.com)

The last paragraph is exactly what needed to be said.

[Ponder416]

Did you guys hear MajorNelsons podcast Sunday? He talked about a Sony party promoting the Blue-Ray disk...They had a copy of House of a 1000 Daggers, and when a reporter went to check and see what the disk looked like he saw it said DVD/R...lol

Edit: I guess I should have read Chris's first post....

[Chris]

Sony not using their own blank media.

[E2K]

Your posts are all on the same level

For example:

"whahaha DMC4 also on xbox!!" < this was a rumor weeks ago, but has also been falsified weeks ago.. just an example.

Now, for this one:
There were two laptops, one with a blu ray drive, the other one a normal dvd rw drive. They were setup next to eachother, so people could see the difference in quality of DVD vs BD.

Then, someone opened the dvd drive, to find out that the dvd demo was running on an actual dvd!!!

So it's either childish, or dumb to post it after it has been explained 2 weeks ago or something.

But what to expect from 14 year olds right?



It would have been interessting when it was still not explained though.

Some stupid f*ck would say something like: what bullshit this BD, when we get the same quality on dvd's!!! They want to rip us off etc.

Well, i could demo DVD technology using cd's!! A dvd is mpeg2, if i put on a cd a trailer in the same bitrate and mpeg2 codec as a dvd, i could use it to showcase dvd quality.
You could also burn a "Blu ray" trailer on a dvd. If the speed of the drive is fast enough for the bitrate, why not?

Here quote me:
E2K: "you can burn any Blu Ray Movie on DVD and play it back. As long as your hardware is up to the decoding, your drive is fast enough for the bitrate and you have enough dvd's"
The same thing aplies to hd dvd, so...

[Chris]

I'm not saying that the quality isn't there on Blu-Ray. Your explantion of the whole thing is opinion. Just like what I posted. Yeah, you went to a forum and 'someone' explained what 'actually' happend. I know,I get it.

But the fact remains, you weren't at the Vaio party, neither was I.

...it seems as though the pictures given by gearlog were indeed made to lead people into believing the wrong thing. there is no proof that Sony wasn't using a Blu-Ray disc, though there was no proof that they were, either. it still stands, however, that Sony was using a bootlegged copy of their own movie, and to that I give a big "whiskey tango foxtrot?!?!"

[Ponder416]

E2K: Where you picked on in school? Chill out this is a video game site...You dont have to debate every thread...

[E2K]

i was the guy who picked on

these topics are not about videogames, they are about bashing next generation technology.
And when i see or read noobs i have to own them,

so i am sorry if i remind you of the guy who made your class realize that you were loser or something but judging your post you'r still in school, so you can change it!

[Ponder416]

Sorry but I'm not trying to start a flame fest with ya, but to answer your question no im not in school, graduated high honors and was never picked on (sorry to disappoint) If we must know I was the Jock so I didn’t have time for Reindeer games...baby-baaaaby...

You seem to have something negative to say about everything so I was just wondering if it was a personal problem...no worries eh

[Emily]

Originally Posted by Ponder416

Sorry but I'm not trying to start a flame fest with ya, but to answer your question no im not in school, graduated high honors and was never picked on (sorry to disappoint) If we must know I was the Jock so I didn’t have time for Reindeer games...baby-baaaaby...

You seem to have something negative to say about everything so I was just wondering if it was a personal problem...no worries eh

Off topic, but are you a hot jock? This coming from the girl complaining about superficiality in the contest, i know.

[E2K]

Sorry to say negative things, to be honest:
i do not give a shit about who is posting, i read what it says and then i respond to it.
Look at my posts:
The majority is preceded by some bullshit that some nobody read on some bullshit site and posts it here in favor of his/her bullshit console.
Then, some other nobody, who lives on the other side of the world, posts some more bullshit to show the first thing was really bullshit.
This is called "http://forum.xboxic.com" for those who do not know.

But i am not complaining. I just came back from the davinci code, didn't read the book but anyway. I am tired a little bit, true. But not enough to go to sleep yet. So that's where you come in. You 'are' entertaining i must say.

Did i really care about who you are?... no. I don't know the word Jock, or why emilie is interessted in it. Also "graduated high honors". Same goes for "didn’t have time for Reindeer games...baby-baaaaby...".
Normally when i see something i don't understand, i get more information on it. (unless in college ) Not in this case.

So, sorry to have bothered you, but for all i care, your highly honored can go Jock-off to your reindeer games

oh and this was offtopic.


Now ontopic:
this tread probably started because you felt offended by the restrictions on HDTV media formats right?

You really care about this, not?

Then you should learn a little more about your xbox or it's company. Vista is able to delete all software that has not been 'signed' what could also be know as: 'not paid money to microsoft'. It could erase your whole HDD when it detected free software. I would be worried more about that.
But, the same as with your posted 'facts' on blu ray copy protection, this scenario was also hypothetical, so there you go.

I hope you all learn from this,

[Chris]

There isn't an OS war(I barely call Apple competition, whether you think OS X is better than XP isn't the issue). There IS a format war about to happen.