missing <div> on newspage

[YLA G]

hi..

i surf alot with my smartphone.. now if you use google as your base you can surf alot faster because it filters all the crap (banners, headers etc) from every pages..

BUT the pages has to be a good html.. now the left page (the whole collumn of links) don't has a <div> all links </div> before it.. so it stays on the page.
That means that everytime i want to read a newsitem i have to scroll for a long time because of that.

can you do that small adjustment in the source?

[Curry]

I'm very sure there are no unclosed elements in my templates, since both newsitems and frontpage validate 100% as XHTML Hence every browser should render it correctly.

Unfortunately, I am aware of problems with small screen browsers (got a Windows Mobile 2k3 thingy myself). I fixed this the official way: by introducing a unique stylesheet for "handheld" and "print" media. Luckily, the print view is picked up correctly, try print previewing pages from the news section, but as usual with everything that's got "Internet Explorer" in its name Pocket IE refuses to use the correct stylesheet. Pocket Opera should do it fine though.

May I ask which OS and browser are on your phone?

[YLA G]

Qtek 8310 (same as imate sp5)

windows mobile 5

and its not the browser.. its google that is filtering the pages.

as i can't give you the link or show a screenshot you just got to trust me

[Curry]

Then Google is screwing things up You can see for yourself the frontpage is completely valid XHTML, and as such is absolutely certainly closing all its tags correctly. W3C Validator doesn't lie, nor does View Source

[YLA G]

its not because its wrong.. its just a feature that is missing

[Curry]

Can you give me the link to Google's interpretation of the page? I'll have a look then.

How the page is built is actually absolutely intended to be used on non-screen browsers as well. On the top of every page there is a "skip to content" link which is hidden by CSS, as such allowing non-stylesheet users to skip the trackers (which are in the top of the page indeed) by a single click. This is identical to how other well-built standards compliant sites do it.

I have no real options since it's really in this case a matter of browsers malfunctioning and apparently Google as well. But I'll gladly have a look if I have more precise info

[YLA G]

try it on your phone curry:

http://www.google.com/pda

zoek xboxic and click.


(my phone has a wifi so its free, i am using http://www.google.com/ig as startpage with xboxic rss)

[YLA G]

yep skip to content.. i see that link.. but its doing nothing (just refresh)

[YLA G]

Originally Posted by YLA G

try it on your phone curry:

http://www.google.com/pda

zoek xboxic and click.


(my phone has a wifi so its free, i am using http://www.google.com/ig as startpage with xboxic rss)

try the same with major nelson or 360fanboy.. no problems there

[Curry]

Originally Posted by YLA G

yep skip to content.. i see that link.. but its doing nothing (just refresh)

Even weirder, since that is a HTML 1.0 element linking to #content with the content part itself containing an anchor entitled "content". It should never ever cause a reload of the page, that's a major browser error.

[YLA G]

don't care :p i want the 80 links away

[Curry]

Originally Posted by YLA G

try it on your phone curry:

http://www.google.com/pda

zoek xboxic and click.

On my Mobile 2k3 phone Google doesn't do anything special if I try this? I just opens "http://www.xboxic.com" as it should. And screws it up as it shouldn't but that's Pocket IE's fault

[Messiah]

I have the same problem, that's why i'm using a RSS reader nog. EggRSS or something. It shows the RSS from from xboxic on my Today page.

[Rival24]

All in favor of pda.xboxic.com ?

[Curry]

Hmmm think WP doesn't really support that regrettably, or it could be a viable option I could do some nasty useragentsniffing ofcourse but I'd prefer to keep it all as "pure" as possible.

[YLA G]

Originally Posted by Rival24

All in favor of pda.xboxic.com ?

oh yeah!!

[YLA G]

look.. this is the page what google filters out for pda/smartphones:

http://www.google.com/gwt/n?client=i....com/news/1131

as you can see you have to scroll alot (even with a pc) think what it is on a phone

normaly the links would be under the "about submit contact" box with a "+" before it

another example: major nelson where it works:
http://www.google.com/gwt/n?u=http%3...aspx&client=ig

as you can see all the links from a normal pc page are under the "+"

[YLA G]

Originally Posted by Curry

Hmmm think WP doesn't really support that regrettably

ok.. i tested it with other wordpres pages.. and the filter works there

http://www.google.com/gwt/n?client=i...rdpress-theme/

so its something with the theme

[Curry]

It's most certainly something with the theme I checked it out yesterday, but it didn't complain about missing divs or anything. It's just that Google screws up the "Skip to content" link by transforming it into a page link

Can you have a look at http://www.xboxic.com/useragent.php with your phone and paste the result here? I'll probably just build some frigging sniffing for Pocket IE to solve the problems

[YLA G]

that skip content link is anyway just a work arround..

i have free internet because of wifi build in.. but the guys with gprs are paying per byte = all the links are many many bytes

[Curry]

Originally Posted by YLA G

that skip content link is anyway just a work arround..

Actually not really, it's the standardized way of presenting pages like this.

i have free internet because of wifi build in.. but the guys with gprs are paying per byte = all the links are many many bytes

And how are you going to navigate the site without links? Everything directly from the frontpage?

[YLA G]

no.. if you want a link.. you need to press the "+" before the box and you have the links..

anyway, i am surfing with the rss.. so if a new comes up.. i press the link and want to read the news

i check that link at the evening.. i am now at work

[YLA G]

what are you doing?

http://pda.xboxic.com/

[YLA G]

Originally Posted by Curry

Can you have a look at http://www.xboxic.com/useragent.php with your phone and paste the result here? I'll probably just build some frigging sniffing for Pocket IE to solve the problems

http://www.google.com/gwt/n?client=i.../useragent.php
"User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; Google Wireless Transcoder"

on a PC.. gone try it in a hour on my phone (but i can't copy paste :s)

[Curry]

Originally Posted by YLA G

what are you doing?

http://pda.xboxic.com/

That's standard page for undefined subdomains As for the user-agent, I really need the one from PocketIE itself